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Daniel Archer's avatar

Price signals are working just fine for gas. What you're skipping is that the more money you have, the more choice you have, in deciding that you would rather cut spending on. Trying to claim something a simple as "the poor" is in itself disingenuous.

The poor include every thing from college students who can easily decide they would rather ride their bikes, to chuckle heads that should have stuck with public transit or bought a more fuel efficient car in the first place.

Does that include some people that made the best decisions they could and are now hurting because the temporary spike in fuel prices. Sure, but for the rest of the planet, higher fuel prices are the price signal that makes them change their behavior. For some that will mean they keep driving but decide to hold off and keep using something they own rather then purchase a new something. Which is yet another way to reduce fuel consumption.

The problem you quickly get into when trying to subsidize things like fuel usage is that for the majority of the middle and lower class people, that only encourages wasteful use of fuel.

Brian Villanueva's avatar

I don't know if Oren or Daniel wrote the gas price thing, but it's about the dumbest article I've ever seen here. Normally, this place is pretty solid, but not today.

What it's describing is the disjunction between "marginal benefit" and "willingness to pay". In introductory econ textbooks, we (yes, I teach HS econ, among other things) we quickly gloss over this disjunction because it's very hard to explain without heavy math, but it's among the most well understood problems and one of the reason no one uses supply-demand graphs outside of Econ 1A.

This line of reasoning is so dangerous because the core problem here is what's called the "declining marginal utility of wealth" -- the more money you have the less you value the last $100 you earned. Once you start attacking prices on this basis though, it's very easy to end up deciding that the entire price system is hopelessly flawed and clearly there ought to be a better way. Which is essentially what Marx and Engels said. And it's a disaster.

In the case of a life-critical commodity (food, housing, energy) vouchers are a simple and very well understood way to provide relief for the poor without screwing up the price system any more than necessary.

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