Sounds like a great way to escalate an already fraught issue, an issue both parties are guilty of not addressing for several decades. Then in response, if ICE someday identifies the frightened/masked agents adorned in tactical gear who plugged the nurse 10 times while he lay prostrate on the ground after being disarmed, maybe the state of Minnesota can charge them as well? Meanwhile, perhaps ICE can train their agents to adopt the professionalism and restraint shown by the capitol police on January 6th?
Obviously, the Democrat Party strategy for long-term dominance depends not upon persuading the electorate, but radically altering it. Therefore, they must...
1) flood open borders with Third Worlders. [done]
2) keep them here via sanctuary cities and abolishing ICE. [in progress]
Good sleuthing Jan, you’ve uncovered yet another conspiracy, a maga specialty. Remember the great Joseph Heller quote from Catch-22, a timely read as MAGA’s Middle East war unfolds: “just because you’re paranoid doesn’t mean they aren’t after you”. Don is so doggone good at keepin y’all scared:) Hang in there my friend.
I used to be a mandatory-eVerify supporter. Not anymore.
Did we learn nothing from the Patriot Act's morphing? What began as a tool to track terrorists became a tool to survail anyone who disagrees with the ruling class (even Presidential candidates and sitting Congressmen.)
I have no doubt that what we create to make illegal immigrants unbankable and unemployable and unable to engage in commerce, the Democrats will happily use against us the moment they can do so. After all, we're all little Nazis, right? And Nazis shouldn't be able to have bank accounts. (We don't have so speculate; they've already debanked people for political views.)
What you're describing is a social credit system by another name, so count me out. Find another way.
"The majority of the public still supports “deporting all immigrants who are here illegally”, according to the latest Harvard/Harris poll, but, as my colleague Andrew Arthur notes, “they just don’t want to see or hear much about it.”
The "theatrical enforcement sweep" falls right into the trap of open border advocates and their media allies who were and are eagerly seeking to create highly visible, sympathetic incidents to try to turn the tide of public opinion. Not only that, it's not even clear how effective these sweeps truly are.
The article touches on this, but it would be good to consider more ideas to dramatically ramp up the consequences for employers who are caught with illegal immigrants as employees. For example, raising fines to the $100k per violation range, explicitly stating that use of eVerify is necessary to claim a good faith defense, etc. It's far easier to scrutinize employers as opposed to trying to catch individuals. I would bet that targeted enforcement concentrated on a subset of employers in industries known for hiring illegals would lead to outsized impact. And the more you restrict employment options, the more that people will self-deport.
If you remove government benefits and jobs, what in the world would illegals stay for exactly? You change the risk/reward structure. You make orderly voluntary deportation very attractive versus disorderly forced deportation. This also serves to put less pressure on the border - you won't need to enforce as hard at the border if nobody comes.
I'd add another thing - if you voluntarily deport, and have no criminal record, you are prioritized for re-admission LEGALLY. That is to say, once you leave you can submit an application to come back. We can prioritize family connections, ability to speak English, and skills, and allow some back in. Again, if we allow some back in legally, it will persuade a lot more to leave voluntarily, with the hopes of improving their status. That defangs a lot of the complaints about dreamers, and otherwise lawful illegals.
As I read this I couldn't help but wonder what poor soul could write such a piece. Why would he be so angry? Why is he opposed to the tenets of our Declaration of Independence? Is it meant as a diversion from MAGA's Middle East war? Then I remembered who Mark is a disciple of-Don, the founder and intellectual lodestar of the "new" right. Yes, Don, he of three wives, two of whom are immigrants...
Let's all recall who Don is, and what drives his cruel policies of deploying frightened/masked thugs adorned in tactical gear on our streets, foreign prisons, killings of fellow citizens, lying about fellow citizens by labeling them “domestic terrorists”, performative raids on our neighbors with video crews in tow, and serial failed court battles. Here's a partial list of the terms he's used to describe immigrants/immigration. Mark's leader couldn't be more clear on what this is all about, could he? Racism and cruelty are the point.
"Invasion, vermin, rapists, eating the pets, poisoning the blood, animals, infestation, garbage, shithole countries, bloodthirsty criminals, most violent people on earth, stone cold killers, the worst people."
Take a minute to look up what "leaders" in history have sought to dehumanize their population with terms like vermin, animals, infestation, poisoning the blood. It's not a great list to find oneself on...
You write nonsense. Deporting illegal aliens is against the Declaration? Disciple of Don? Mark has been in front of this issue for 25 years. Your description of ICE action is hyperbole at best and lies at worst. As to those "terms", they are less than Democrats (and you) use to describe those of us who want secure borders. Heck, some have used it for white people in general.
And what drives his non-cruel policies is the need to protect Americans from the crime, financial costs and general degradation associated with illegal immigration. Unless you think Minneapolis, LA, and Chicago are models to emulate.
Deportations are appropriate in many circumstances, and I support them. Past presidents have as well. I haven't checked the numbers in the last month or two, but I believe Barack Hussein Obama has still deported more people than Don has, as but one example. But somehow, those presidents managed to do that without the blatant cruelty, racism, and lawlessness that Don proudly exhibits. I also think ole Joepa was wrong with his lack of border enforcement, which is a different issue than deportations. But, Don has gone well beyond a new border policy and deporting the rapists and criminals he rambles incoherently about.
I think my favorite was the performative "apprehension" of the sandwich man, the dude who got mustard on the terrified ICE agents uniform by throwing a sub sandwich at him. You may recall the video-the single weenie guy in shorts running away from the posse of masked, manly, heavily armed guys in tactical gear:) Then, after he was indicted and offered to turn himself in, they sent a swat team accompanied by a video crew to "take him down"... It's all so absurd and unserious. Pulling moms out of school pick up lines, detaining our military vets, detaining legal immigrants as they attend their regularly scheduled appointments. I like the attempts to ship Afghans who fought with us in the war to the Congo. The pathetic stories are endless. Hundreds of rulings, many from conservative courts, have been rendered against Don's lack of due process, use of foreign prisons, inhumane conditions in detention centers, etc.
I understand MAGA supports calling fellow humans "vermin" and "garbage", and claiming that they are an "infestation" that is "poisoning our blood". They support pulling mothers out of school pick up lines, and separating children from their parents. They don't just support it, they like it. They applaud it. All in spite of their historical meaning. They also support the killing of the nurse-the guy that a swarm of frightened/masked ICE agents plugged ten times, starting in the back, as he lay surrounded and prostrate after being disarmed. Ten. Times. They even support Don's administration labeling him a domestic terrorist, without evidence, and claiming he had it coming since he was legally carrying a gun.
Not me. I wouldn't let my son utter those words. I won't teach him to emulate Don. I'd rather teach him the timeless words of our Declaration of Independence. The words so many Americans seem unfamiliar with. "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."
I'm a fan of irony. Isn't it ironic that the self-proclaimed Jesus is so anti-Christian? Maybe Don should read one of those God Bless the USA Bibles that's he's been scamming his followers with?
Thanks for confirming my points. You don't just defend his actions, you want them. You want the language. You wanted the nurses killing, he deserved it. He deserved ten shots, all ten. Not just one or two to disable the unarmed guy laying face down, he deserved all ten.
What cracks me up is y'all are supposedly the 1st and 2nd amendment guys. But, you're only serious if you believe that for everyone, not just MAGA brothers. So the guy legally brings a gun (2nd amendment) to a protest (1st amendment). He didn't resist, the gun was removed, they plugged him ten times, and you blame the gun:). I love that. Check what the NRA said about Don blaming the gun, they agree with me...
Given that real cops, and real military are not afraid to show their faces, why are ICE dudes so doggone scared? Shouldn't they simply act like all other cops do instead of wearing silly costumes meant to intimidate?
The data is clear if you care to do the research on the breakdown of who Don is actually deporting. It's public data from Don's own government. Use that google thingy and check it out.
You replied to your own comment. Good idea, nonsense on nonsense. I DO defend the actions of closing the border, deporting illegals, and ICE defending themselves. Given the violent crowds opposing them their restraint is admirable. Pretti didn't deserve to die, but he is partially responsible for his own death through hid actions. And yes, I support masks on police when required to counteract an organized effort to intimidate them and their families. You, of course, support the anti-government violence, the intimidation tactics, and the rest. And you believe the nonsense figures bandied about by Google (it is capitalized, and "nurses" needs an apostrophe) and the Democrats.
Joe, relax dude. It's cool if you're a Don acolyte. You're not alone, many others also do whatever Don says, even when his actions are diametrically opposed to his and your own prior stated beliefs. Many even buy his voluminous offerings of merch (Trump Mobile, crypto coins, etc), and many think he's literally a deity sent for our salvation. You don't have to resort to grammar policing, but if you do, ya better check your posts above:).
But I gotta admit I get a good belly laugh outta your pliability. I mean, even after years of being gaslit, he's managed to turn y'all into neocons who support his disastrous war in the Middle East:) And amazingly, you're now even opponents of releasing the Epstein files...
So I expect you to support his dehumanizing of black and brown people, he told you to. After all, they're black and brown, or in Don's parlance, vermin... Sadly, some things never change. I'm German, there was a time we faced the same bigotry from fellow Americans. Italians, Jews, Irish, Poles, Mexicans, Greeks, I guess we all get our time in the barrel. Civilizations aren't always civilized.
I guess the test comes when the next D prez sends frightened/heavily armed/masked agents in tactical gear to randomly patrol only red jurisdictions, looking for butt crack boys in flannel and Carhartts. If the bubba's, also just regular ole citizens like Pretti, are murdered for carrying guns legally at a protest, will you support the new prez? Would the bubba's be, as you say, "partially responsible"? Will you dismiss it as "they happen all the time in similar circumstances"?
Finally, I'll recommend that google (sp?) thingy again. Look up the stats on deportations produced by Don's own government, and see if they comport to what he's selling you on InfoWars and 4chan.
PS, real cops aren't so afraid they have to hide behind masks. Imagine if the capitol police were as terrified as the ICE boys on January 6th, imagine how many insurrectionists they would have been justified in gunning down for being mean to them...
So I am a Don acolyte who buys his merchandise and believes all these things? I wish to inform you that is false, and also inform you that all Chinese do not look alike and all African Americans are not good dancers
Heavily armed men? You mean like the ones Biden sent to arrest pro-life people and anti-coed bathroom parents? THOSE heavily armed men?
But I see. So you believe wearing a Carhartt is illegal, and people who wear them should be arrested. Got it.
Sorry if I disturbed your fantasy world. I won't bother you again unless I am suicidally depressed, in which case I will call to get the brand you drink. On second thought, no, I might end up like you.
You blather endlessly, making it up as you go along. Most of what you mention never happened, or happened on rare occasions when circumstances warranted unusual actions. As to you "ten times" story, an armed man was resisting arrest. It was questionable shoot, but they happen all the time in similar circumstances. And again, the "masked." Give it a rest.
I call gang members who take over apartment complexes, killer who prey on young women, and human traffickers vermin and worse. Got a problem with that? Separating children from their parents? Happens to citizens too when the parent commits a crime and is arrested. You want no citizens in jail, or arrest the kiddies too?
And the Declaration does not require or even suggest open borders, equivalency between citizens and illegal aliens, or obligations to people violating American law to take what does not belong to them. Your lies and misdirection don't change that or anything else.
I'm afraid the Trump administration is going to get worse as time goes on. Already the loss of illegal employment is starting to appear in economic news, mostly in a good way in that unemployment remains low while job creation is also low. A slow down hasn't hurt employment numbers
As construction rebounds as it must (people need to live somewhere) employers will start to make lots of noise. Similarly with unaffected industries as low wage labor feels wage pressure.
The work around I've seen employers here use successfully is they hire subcontractors who have registered a legal tax filing number, which anyone can do, and with that number they can open a bank account and pay withholding taxes and the most important thing of all,,, workers comp. No employer will have anyone remotely associated with them without workers comp, the downsides are losing your business and maybe jail. So I see a bunch of legal subs where everyone is actually illegal.
Anyone applying or using a tax ID must be legal.
For now, protecting illegal immigrants residing in the US is a necessary issue for every Democratic candidate. That also has to change. In a fundraising email I got tonight to support Senator Bennet the very first bullet point was "Leading the fight against Trump’s mass deportation agenda and ICE abuses". Candidates don't like to talk guns or abortion, they should be shy about immigration at the least. Hard for me to donate money and be a class traitor.
I can assure you that Bennet does like to talk about guns. A few years ago, he appeared at a school shooting memorial service and wanted to talk about gun control. He basically got his head handed to him by a bunch of HS students who just wanted to mourn. I knew Bennet back when he was in Colorado and while I was not a fan, I did always think he was smart. After that incident (compounded by his behavior in confirming Trump 2.0 appointees), I concluded that the years in DC must have softened his brain. Senators in particular are surrounded 24/7 by people telling them that their shit don't stink.
I think the birthright citizenship aspect has to be addressed. This would take Congressional action and survive a Supreme Court ruling, which it probably would. But would it make sense to suspend birthright citizenship for those born to parents here illegally? There is no good decision here because you have the moral hazard of breaking apart families while keeping a major incentive to immigrate in place alongside the opposing side where children born here through no fault of their own are suddenly forced out of the country.
I really do not feel good about either choice, but law enforcement is a key tenet of any functional society. If we the people do not like the law, then let us vote to change it through the legislative process as we have in the past.
Hm I think that oversimplifies a hugely complex process. Beneath your sentences are huge assumptions and programs. We would have to (1) expand immigration courts, (2) upgrade DOJ software, (3) acquire all documentation to make the requisite legal case, (4) have enough immigration attorneys to handle the volume, and (5) set up the infrastructure to have people leave voluntarily and orderly. This would all be very difficult to implement.
Processing 15 million people is going to be hard? That is a given. But let's be clear, - we are not taking 15 million back. Just some of them.
Let's say Jose Gutierez is a 30-year-old plumber, with no violent criminal record. Brought here illegally at 16 and speaks perfect English. Gainfully employed. He is part of the 15 million. To deal with the problem we need to incentivize that guy to voluntarily deport. We can do that with making work difficult. But that is just going to trigger the open borders crowd and make this guy a poster boy.
Okay, let's instead make him OUR poster boy. We say there is a right way and a wrong way to do things. He deports, then applies for legal re-admission, and we allow it within six months. He pays a fine, has a green card and eventually gets citizenship.
A LOT of illegals will look at that and think it is better than living in the shadows. The more deportation we can make voluntary, the easier this problem gets. legal re-admission is just another incentive - just like enforcing things for employers, or Border Patrol paying for their flight home. Again, we don't re-admit all of them - only the ones we find desirable, people who speak the language and have skills.
This is all about further subdividing the illegals into groups, and crafting policies that target each group. Some we may well keep. Again, not an ideal solution, just one that allows the process to move forward. If we can get a 4:1 deportation to re-admission scenario, i.e. for every 5 illegals that are deported, one comes back legally, we are going to very well ahead of the game, given the deportation will be voluntary. heck you could see millions of illegals self-deporting. Imagine that 15 million cut to 3 million in a couple of years, and that 3 million are just the desirables - people who speak English and have useful skills.
wow the more I find out about the Bush presidency the more shocked I become. This guy was probably worse than Obama for the country. Both were neo-con's and catered to the globalization outsourcing frenzy of their administrations with no regard for average hard-working middle-class citizens. This whole immigration thing is a huge racket and has been for quite a while. Feeding the political machines and enterprises that use cheap illegal labor to enrich themselves.
Sidenote:
The university = The "New Religion" (religion of nihilism)
I didn’t vote for Trump or Harris and have long been opposed to open borders. At the same time there must be some middle ground between the insanity of open borders and the apparent cruelty of deporting those who have been here a long time and have led decent lives. Most crimes in America except murder and increasingly rape have a statute of limitations but deportations do not. Perhaps a seven year statute of limitations on deportations revocable if someone is convicted of a felony makes sense with no one who entered illegally ever given citizenship so this would hang over their heads forever is an acceptable alternative to permanent amnesty.
No amnesty until deportation for illegals is accepted by all parties. Right now the Democrats believe anyone who crosses the border successfully and not found guilty of a serious violent crime should be allowed to stay. With that attitude we will never have a secure border. Enforcement and deportation now. Amnesty later; maybe, and with strict limits.
Douglas: So? My proposed statute of limitations would take effect in a year or so for those who committed no crime other than illegally entering the country. A bank robber is off the hook after eight years.
Under US law deportation is not considered a criminal punishment but more like a civil proceeding that's meant to regulate immigration. As such, I'm not sure the idea of a statute of limitations would make as much sense.
Tosc: Well, deportation is a pretty big penalty for a civil violation so the effect is the same even if there was no prison time involved. As it is now an illegal immigrant can live a spotless life here for twenty years and still be deported. My proposal would give them a level of protection.
I don't disagree that migrants who have been living here for an extended period of time (I would argue longer than a year, at least 5 or whatever), paid taxes, etc. and are here illegally should receive some legal status. My only point is that it is a different system and things like a statute of limitations may not apply as such. It is the same reason why immigrants are not guaranteed an attorney in immigration court, which means in practice that they are epically screwed usually.
It is a Federal crime to harbor an illegal alien. Arresting state and local officials will send a message and improve cooperation.
Sounds like a great way to escalate an already fraught issue, an issue both parties are guilty of not addressing for several decades. Then in response, if ICE someday identifies the frightened/masked agents adorned in tactical gear who plugged the nurse 10 times while he lay prostrate on the ground after being disarmed, maybe the state of Minnesota can charge them as well? Meanwhile, perhaps ICE can train their agents to adopt the professionalism and restraint shown by the capitol police on January 6th?
Good stuff, and no hysteria.
Obviously, the Democrat Party strategy for long-term dominance depends not upon persuading the electorate, but radically altering it. Therefore, they must...
1) flood open borders with Third Worlders. [done]
2) keep them here via sanctuary cities and abolishing ICE. [in progress]
3) introduce "pathway to citizenship".
4) distribute Voter Cards en masse stamped "D".
Good sleuthing Jan, you’ve uncovered yet another conspiracy, a maga specialty. Remember the great Joseph Heller quote from Catch-22, a timely read as MAGA’s Middle East war unfolds: “just because you’re paranoid doesn’t mean they aren’t after you”. Don is so doggone good at keepin y’all scared:) Hang in there my friend.
I used to be a mandatory-eVerify supporter. Not anymore.
Did we learn nothing from the Patriot Act's morphing? What began as a tool to track terrorists became a tool to survail anyone who disagrees with the ruling class (even Presidential candidates and sitting Congressmen.)
I have no doubt that what we create to make illegal immigrants unbankable and unemployable and unable to engage in commerce, the Democrats will happily use against us the moment they can do so. After all, we're all little Nazis, right? And Nazis shouldn't be able to have bank accounts. (We don't have so speculate; they've already debanked people for political views.)
What you're describing is a social credit system by another name, so count me out. Find another way.
"The majority of the public still supports “deporting all immigrants who are here illegally”, according to the latest Harvard/Harris poll, but, as my colleague Andrew Arthur notes, “they just don’t want to see or hear much about it.”
The "theatrical enforcement sweep" falls right into the trap of open border advocates and their media allies who were and are eagerly seeking to create highly visible, sympathetic incidents to try to turn the tide of public opinion. Not only that, it's not even clear how effective these sweeps truly are.
The article touches on this, but it would be good to consider more ideas to dramatically ramp up the consequences for employers who are caught with illegal immigrants as employees. For example, raising fines to the $100k per violation range, explicitly stating that use of eVerify is necessary to claim a good faith defense, etc. It's far easier to scrutinize employers as opposed to trying to catch individuals. I would bet that targeted enforcement concentrated on a subset of employers in industries known for hiring illegals would lead to outsized impact. And the more you restrict employment options, the more that people will self-deport.
If you remove government benefits and jobs, what in the world would illegals stay for exactly? You change the risk/reward structure. You make orderly voluntary deportation very attractive versus disorderly forced deportation. This also serves to put less pressure on the border - you won't need to enforce as hard at the border if nobody comes.
I'd add another thing - if you voluntarily deport, and have no criminal record, you are prioritized for re-admission LEGALLY. That is to say, once you leave you can submit an application to come back. We can prioritize family connections, ability to speak English, and skills, and allow some back in. Again, if we allow some back in legally, it will persuade a lot more to leave voluntarily, with the hopes of improving their status. That defangs a lot of the complaints about dreamers, and otherwise lawful illegals.
As I read this I couldn't help but wonder what poor soul could write such a piece. Why would he be so angry? Why is he opposed to the tenets of our Declaration of Independence? Is it meant as a diversion from MAGA's Middle East war? Then I remembered who Mark is a disciple of-Don, the founder and intellectual lodestar of the "new" right. Yes, Don, he of three wives, two of whom are immigrants...
Let's all recall who Don is, and what drives his cruel policies of deploying frightened/masked thugs adorned in tactical gear on our streets, foreign prisons, killings of fellow citizens, lying about fellow citizens by labeling them “domestic terrorists”, performative raids on our neighbors with video crews in tow, and serial failed court battles. Here's a partial list of the terms he's used to describe immigrants/immigration. Mark's leader couldn't be more clear on what this is all about, could he? Racism and cruelty are the point.
"Invasion, vermin, rapists, eating the pets, poisoning the blood, animals, infestation, garbage, shithole countries, bloodthirsty criminals, most violent people on earth, stone cold killers, the worst people."
Take a minute to look up what "leaders" in history have sought to dehumanize their population with terms like vermin, animals, infestation, poisoning the blood. It's not a great list to find oneself on...
You write nonsense. Deporting illegal aliens is against the Declaration? Disciple of Don? Mark has been in front of this issue for 25 years. Your description of ICE action is hyperbole at best and lies at worst. As to those "terms", they are less than Democrats (and you) use to describe those of us who want secure borders. Heck, some have used it for white people in general.
And what drives his non-cruel policies is the need to protect Americans from the crime, financial costs and general degradation associated with illegal immigration. Unless you think Minneapolis, LA, and Chicago are models to emulate.
Deportations are appropriate in many circumstances, and I support them. Past presidents have as well. I haven't checked the numbers in the last month or two, but I believe Barack Hussein Obama has still deported more people than Don has, as but one example. But somehow, those presidents managed to do that without the blatant cruelty, racism, and lawlessness that Don proudly exhibits. I also think ole Joepa was wrong with his lack of border enforcement, which is a different issue than deportations. But, Don has gone well beyond a new border policy and deporting the rapists and criminals he rambles incoherently about.
I think my favorite was the performative "apprehension" of the sandwich man, the dude who got mustard on the terrified ICE agents uniform by throwing a sub sandwich at him. You may recall the video-the single weenie guy in shorts running away from the posse of masked, manly, heavily armed guys in tactical gear:) Then, after he was indicted and offered to turn himself in, they sent a swat team accompanied by a video crew to "take him down"... It's all so absurd and unserious. Pulling moms out of school pick up lines, detaining our military vets, detaining legal immigrants as they attend their regularly scheduled appointments. I like the attempts to ship Afghans who fought with us in the war to the Congo. The pathetic stories are endless. Hundreds of rulings, many from conservative courts, have been rendered against Don's lack of due process, use of foreign prisons, inhumane conditions in detention centers, etc.
I understand MAGA supports calling fellow humans "vermin" and "garbage", and claiming that they are an "infestation" that is "poisoning our blood". They support pulling mothers out of school pick up lines, and separating children from their parents. They don't just support it, they like it. They applaud it. All in spite of their historical meaning. They also support the killing of the nurse-the guy that a swarm of frightened/masked ICE agents plugged ten times, starting in the back, as he lay surrounded and prostrate after being disarmed. Ten. Times. They even support Don's administration labeling him a domestic terrorist, without evidence, and claiming he had it coming since he was legally carrying a gun.
Not me. I wouldn't let my son utter those words. I won't teach him to emulate Don. I'd rather teach him the timeless words of our Declaration of Independence. The words so many Americans seem unfamiliar with. "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."
I'm a fan of irony. Isn't it ironic that the self-proclaimed Jesus is so anti-Christian? Maybe Don should read one of those God Bless the USA Bibles that's he's been scamming his followers with?
Thanks for confirming my points. You don't just defend his actions, you want them. You want the language. You wanted the nurses killing, he deserved it. He deserved ten shots, all ten. Not just one or two to disable the unarmed guy laying face down, he deserved all ten.
What cracks me up is y'all are supposedly the 1st and 2nd amendment guys. But, you're only serious if you believe that for everyone, not just MAGA brothers. So the guy legally brings a gun (2nd amendment) to a protest (1st amendment). He didn't resist, the gun was removed, they plugged him ten times, and you blame the gun:). I love that. Check what the NRA said about Don blaming the gun, they agree with me...
Given that real cops, and real military are not afraid to show their faces, why are ICE dudes so doggone scared? Shouldn't they simply act like all other cops do instead of wearing silly costumes meant to intimidate?
The data is clear if you care to do the research on the breakdown of who Don is actually deporting. It's public data from Don's own government. Use that google thingy and check it out.
You replied to your own comment. Good idea, nonsense on nonsense. I DO defend the actions of closing the border, deporting illegals, and ICE defending themselves. Given the violent crowds opposing them their restraint is admirable. Pretti didn't deserve to die, but he is partially responsible for his own death through hid actions. And yes, I support masks on police when required to counteract an organized effort to intimidate them and their families. You, of course, support the anti-government violence, the intimidation tactics, and the rest. And you believe the nonsense figures bandied about by Google (it is capitalized, and "nurses" needs an apostrophe) and the Democrats.
Joe, relax dude. It's cool if you're a Don acolyte. You're not alone, many others also do whatever Don says, even when his actions are diametrically opposed to his and your own prior stated beliefs. Many even buy his voluminous offerings of merch (Trump Mobile, crypto coins, etc), and many think he's literally a deity sent for our salvation. You don't have to resort to grammar policing, but if you do, ya better check your posts above:).
But I gotta admit I get a good belly laugh outta your pliability. I mean, even after years of being gaslit, he's managed to turn y'all into neocons who support his disastrous war in the Middle East:) And amazingly, you're now even opponents of releasing the Epstein files...
So I expect you to support his dehumanizing of black and brown people, he told you to. After all, they're black and brown, or in Don's parlance, vermin... Sadly, some things never change. I'm German, there was a time we faced the same bigotry from fellow Americans. Italians, Jews, Irish, Poles, Mexicans, Greeks, I guess we all get our time in the barrel. Civilizations aren't always civilized.
I guess the test comes when the next D prez sends frightened/heavily armed/masked agents in tactical gear to randomly patrol only red jurisdictions, looking for butt crack boys in flannel and Carhartts. If the bubba's, also just regular ole citizens like Pretti, are murdered for carrying guns legally at a protest, will you support the new prez? Would the bubba's be, as you say, "partially responsible"? Will you dismiss it as "they happen all the time in similar circumstances"?
Finally, I'll recommend that google (sp?) thingy again. Look up the stats on deportations produced by Don's own government, and see if they comport to what he's selling you on InfoWars and 4chan.
PS, real cops aren't so afraid they have to hide behind masks. Imagine if the capitol police were as terrified as the ICE boys on January 6th, imagine how many insurrectionists they would have been justified in gunning down for being mean to them...
So I am a Don acolyte who buys his merchandise and believes all these things? I wish to inform you that is false, and also inform you that all Chinese do not look alike and all African Americans are not good dancers
Heavily armed men? You mean like the ones Biden sent to arrest pro-life people and anti-coed bathroom parents? THOSE heavily armed men?
But I see. So you believe wearing a Carhartt is illegal, and people who wear them should be arrested. Got it.
Sorry if I disturbed your fantasy world. I won't bother you again unless I am suicidally depressed, in which case I will call to get the brand you drink. On second thought, no, I might end up like you.
You blather endlessly, making it up as you go along. Most of what you mention never happened, or happened on rare occasions when circumstances warranted unusual actions. As to you "ten times" story, an armed man was resisting arrest. It was questionable shoot, but they happen all the time in similar circumstances. And again, the "masked." Give it a rest.
I call gang members who take over apartment complexes, killer who prey on young women, and human traffickers vermin and worse. Got a problem with that? Separating children from their parents? Happens to citizens too when the parent commits a crime and is arrested. You want no citizens in jail, or arrest the kiddies too?
And the Declaration does not require or even suggest open borders, equivalency between citizens and illegal aliens, or obligations to people violating American law to take what does not belong to them. Your lies and misdirection don't change that or anything else.
It smells very bad where you have your head, no? Probably distorts your thinking.
Sorry Paul, I sense you're anti-vermin. I just have this odd compulsion to hold up mirrors.
I'm afraid the Trump administration is going to get worse as time goes on. Already the loss of illegal employment is starting to appear in economic news, mostly in a good way in that unemployment remains low while job creation is also low. A slow down hasn't hurt employment numbers
As construction rebounds as it must (people need to live somewhere) employers will start to make lots of noise. Similarly with unaffected industries as low wage labor feels wage pressure.
The work around I've seen employers here use successfully is they hire subcontractors who have registered a legal tax filing number, which anyone can do, and with that number they can open a bank account and pay withholding taxes and the most important thing of all,,, workers comp. No employer will have anyone remotely associated with them without workers comp, the downsides are losing your business and maybe jail. So I see a bunch of legal subs where everyone is actually illegal.
Anyone applying or using a tax ID must be legal.
For now, protecting illegal immigrants residing in the US is a necessary issue for every Democratic candidate. That also has to change. In a fundraising email I got tonight to support Senator Bennet the very first bullet point was "Leading the fight against Trump’s mass deportation agenda and ICE abuses". Candidates don't like to talk guns or abortion, they should be shy about immigration at the least. Hard for me to donate money and be a class traitor.
I can assure you that Bennet does like to talk about guns. A few years ago, he appeared at a school shooting memorial service and wanted to talk about gun control. He basically got his head handed to him by a bunch of HS students who just wanted to mourn. I knew Bennet back when he was in Colorado and while I was not a fan, I did always think he was smart. After that incident (compounded by his behavior in confirming Trump 2.0 appointees), I concluded that the years in DC must have softened his brain. Senators in particular are surrounded 24/7 by people telling them that their shit don't stink.
I think the birthright citizenship aspect has to be addressed. This would take Congressional action and survive a Supreme Court ruling, which it probably would. But would it make sense to suspend birthright citizenship for those born to parents here illegally? There is no good decision here because you have the moral hazard of breaking apart families while keeping a major incentive to immigrate in place alongside the opposing side where children born here through no fault of their own are suddenly forced out of the country.
I really do not feel good about either choice, but law enforcement is a key tenet of any functional society. If we the people do not like the law, then let us vote to change it through the legislative process as we have in the past.
Easy - make deportation and legal re-immigration for such people easier. But ban any new birthright citizenship claims going forward.
What is "easier"?
People leave voluntarily, in an orderly way. They apply, and we process their applications promptly. Yes/no - they get an answer within 6 months.
Hm I think that oversimplifies a hugely complex process. Beneath your sentences are huge assumptions and programs. We would have to (1) expand immigration courts, (2) upgrade DOJ software, (3) acquire all documentation to make the requisite legal case, (4) have enough immigration attorneys to handle the volume, and (5) set up the infrastructure to have people leave voluntarily and orderly. This would all be very difficult to implement.
Processing 15 million people is going to be hard? That is a given. But let's be clear, - we are not taking 15 million back. Just some of them.
Let's say Jose Gutierez is a 30-year-old plumber, with no violent criminal record. Brought here illegally at 16 and speaks perfect English. Gainfully employed. He is part of the 15 million. To deal with the problem we need to incentivize that guy to voluntarily deport. We can do that with making work difficult. But that is just going to trigger the open borders crowd and make this guy a poster boy.
Okay, let's instead make him OUR poster boy. We say there is a right way and a wrong way to do things. He deports, then applies for legal re-admission, and we allow it within six months. He pays a fine, has a green card and eventually gets citizenship.
A LOT of illegals will look at that and think it is better than living in the shadows. The more deportation we can make voluntary, the easier this problem gets. legal re-admission is just another incentive - just like enforcing things for employers, or Border Patrol paying for their flight home. Again, we don't re-admit all of them - only the ones we find desirable, people who speak the language and have skills.
This is all about further subdividing the illegals into groups, and crafting policies that target each group. Some we may well keep. Again, not an ideal solution, just one that allows the process to move forward. If we can get a 4:1 deportation to re-admission scenario, i.e. for every 5 illegals that are deported, one comes back legally, we are going to very well ahead of the game, given the deportation will be voluntary. heck you could see millions of illegals self-deporting. Imagine that 15 million cut to 3 million in a couple of years, and that 3 million are just the desirables - people who speak English and have useful skills.
wow the more I find out about the Bush presidency the more shocked I become. This guy was probably worse than Obama for the country. Both were neo-con's and catered to the globalization outsourcing frenzy of their administrations with no regard for average hard-working middle-class citizens. This whole immigration thing is a huge racket and has been for quite a while. Feeding the political machines and enterprises that use cheap illegal labor to enrich themselves.
Sidenote:
The university = The "New Religion" (religion of nihilism)
I didn’t vote for Trump or Harris and have long been opposed to open borders. At the same time there must be some middle ground between the insanity of open borders and the apparent cruelty of deporting those who have been here a long time and have led decent lives. Most crimes in America except murder and increasingly rape have a statute of limitations but deportations do not. Perhaps a seven year statute of limitations on deportations revocable if someone is convicted of a felony makes sense with no one who entered illegally ever given citizenship so this would hang over their heads forever is an acceptable alternative to permanent amnesty.
No amnesty until deportation for illegals is accepted by all parties. Right now the Democrats believe anyone who crosses the border successfully and not found guilty of a serious violent crime should be allowed to stay. With that attitude we will never have a secure border. Enforcement and deportation now. Amnesty later; maybe, and with strict limits.
This article states that half the people here illegally came since 2020.
Douglas: So? My proposed statute of limitations would take effect in a year or so for those who committed no crime other than illegally entering the country. A bank robber is off the hook after eight years.
Under US law deportation is not considered a criminal punishment but more like a civil proceeding that's meant to regulate immigration. As such, I'm not sure the idea of a statute of limitations would make as much sense.
Tosc: Well, deportation is a pretty big penalty for a civil violation so the effect is the same even if there was no prison time involved. As it is now an illegal immigrant can live a spotless life here for twenty years and still be deported. My proposal would give them a level of protection.
I don't disagree that migrants who have been living here for an extended period of time (I would argue longer than a year, at least 5 or whatever), paid taxes, etc. and are here illegally should receive some legal status. My only point is that it is a different system and things like a statute of limitations may not apply as such. It is the same reason why immigrants are not guaranteed an attorney in immigration court, which means in practice that they are epically screwed usually.