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Karl's avatar
4hEdited

Sigh. I give up if Oren et al think the deportation debacle we’re witnessing is merely about economic statistics. I suspect like most establishment elites, they haven’t ventured far from their safe spaces. This isn’t a question of labor force participation. It’s a question of human decency and our character as a nation.

Oren, they sent a swat team with a video crew to arrest the sandwich man for gods sake…after he offered to turn himself in. And why the masks? Why the foreign prisons? Why the lack of due process? Maybe plucking moms out of school pickup lines is cool with Commonplace. Not me.

And BTW, the year+ old poll cited is not just old, it came from a time when voters thought deportation was about the violent criminals Don rambled about. Today, his polling is underwater on immigration as they seize the guys weed whacking at Home Depot. Maybe the immigration czar taking 50k in a brown bag piled on top of the cruelty made a difference? None of it sounds very Christian, does it?

Welcome to the “new” right. Its leader (for whom two of his three wives are immigrants) tells us these fellow humans are "vermin". An "infestation" that's "poisoning the blood" of our nation.

Anyone at Commonplace remember what "leaders" from history used such terms?

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Art's avatar

Human decency is served by creating the economic conditions that allow Americans to get a leg up from poverty and build a life that supports their families. The wage and salary suppression caused by cheap illegally imported labor has been immensely destructive to poor and working Americans, most particularly the classes of demoralized people who have been trapped in either dependency or crime. Charity begins at home and the truly moral position is to create the economic conditions that will allow upward mobility for Americans.

In addition, we wouldn’t have nearly the degree of the messy business of deportation if “Joe Biden” hadn’t imported millions. So cast the blame where it is due.

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Karl's avatar
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Thoughtful people can argue forever about the economic implications of Don's actions. None of those arguments excuse the cruelty and lack of due process. Especially from self-described Christians. For reference, read the Pope's response to JD's "charity begins at home" comment.

Obama deported three times as many people as Don in their respective first terms, but there were no masked thugs, helicopter raids, video crews, or foreign prisons. If Don was serious about addressing this longstanding, bipartisan problem, he wouldn't have torpedoed the bipartisan reform bill last year for crass political reasons.

And if he had a shred of decency, he wouldn't use the terms made famous by the worst leaders in history. Do you recall why those terms were used?

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Engineer Guy's avatar

I still can’t understand the policy of price supports for rare earths used in tech whose CEOs are all multibillionaires but not for soy beans and other crops where farmers have suicide rate 3x national average. Also note Trumps mega backstepping on tariffs. The astounding incomprehensability of his policies is astounding. That is why real investment (NOT buying back stocks) is not happening.

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