As a daughter of so-called “brown people“ who emigrated LEGALLY from Jamaica, West Indies to the United States in 1949, I commend President Trump for enforcing our immigration laws. Those laws worked for my parents back in 1949, and they can work today if properly enforced. Bravo President Trump! Finally, I am getting what I voted for.
Thank you. It is infuriating, or at least eye-rolling, when the Press knowingly conflates illegal immigrants with immigrants. Americans love immigrants! But if we keep being taught that the word for "illegal alien" is now "immigrants", will we be tarred as xenophobes when we start saying 'we are against immigrants' and they suddenly forget that they are the ones who redefined "immigrant" to now mean 'illegal aliens'. This attempt to defame people and control the debate by changing the language eventually caught up with them when they tried broaden "woman" to include "man". Maybe this too will backfire.
Hear, Hear Bob! Furthermore, immigrants who came to the U.S. decades ago, came here with the purpose of being value-added to America, and had to prove that they would be a benefit to America, which should be the purpose of immigration, not the other way around. In fact, when my parents emigrated to the U.S., they had to be sponsored by my aunt and uncle who emigrated to the U.S. years before my parents did and had to attest to U.S. immigration authorities that my parents had skills that would enable them to be gainfully employed and be self-sufficient in the U.S. My Dad, as a teenager, worked in agriculture and bauxite manufacturing in its early days in Jamaica and came here and held multiple jobs ranging from working on farms to working in factories in New Jersey and Upstate NY. And my Mom was a highly-skilled seamstress who, upon arrival in the U.S., worked in the garment district in New York City while also working as a cook and domestic for a wealthy family on the upper east side of Manhattan. There weren’t many, if any, public assistance programs for immigrants, let alone citizens. Frankly, given my parents’ fierce independence and work ethic, they wouldn’t have wanted it. Today, we have many immigrants coming here, legally and illegally, only to take advantage of U.S. taxpayer-funded public assistance programs and they have no desire to assimilate and become a part of the American fabric. Instead, many come here and try to change the very essence of what it means to be an American, and the Democrat Party is aiding in that process. One of my favorite political commentators, Andrew Wilkow, always says the following: “You can’t bring there to here without here becoming there.” And in response to this, a Democrat leftist might say, we are ‘global citizens’. I strongly disagree. We are AMERICANS with a distinct culture and values that need to be preserved for the good of our people, and the world.
We are a nation of immigrants and this country was build by immigrants coming from russia , germany, poland , italy and many other countries which is why the US often was refered to as the melting pot but guess what ?
if you call a company you dont hear press 1 for english, 2 for russian , 3 for german , 4 for polish and 5 for italian ..., you also dont hear any of them sayin i am german or flying the flag of their old countries ....
No those people assimilated into our society , they learned the language they gave their kids american names , they fought in a war against their old country without ever having a moments doubt about where their allegiance was ... because this is what immigrants do . Those illegal aliens are not immigrants
Great point Bob. Thanks for the lesson in nomenclature. But I'm stumped, I'm not sure that all Americans love immigrants. I need your wisdom. Don, our president and pied piper of the "new" right, has used the following terms to describe immigrants. "Invasion, vermin, rapists, eating the pets, poisoning the blood, animals, infestation, garbage, shithole countries, bloodthirsty criminals, most violent people on earth, stone cold killers, the worst people."
Kristi Noem used the following phrase to describe her love: “a full travel ban on every damn country that’s been flooding our nation with killers, leeches, and entitlement junkies.”
Please explain how their nomenclature conveys their love. This country boy just ain't followin... Thank you for your attention to this matter.
Karl, please stop with the white guilt (presuming you are white, if not, my response is still apropos). I am a black woman born and raised in New York City and witnessed how Trump brought the City back from total despair in the late 70s and early 80s. I never saw any indication that he was a racist, and I don’t see it now. What I see is a leader who has the courage to say the quiet stuff out loud, saying what needs to be said. I’d rather have that than liberals who espouse the bigotry of low expectations and who coddle dysfunction. They are not doing black people any favors. And as for Trump calling some countries s-holes, I would be the first as the daughter of Jamaican immigrants to say that if it were not for tourism, which is essentially the country’s only lifeline, Jamaica would be one of those s-hole countries, and in some respects it is, due to rampant crime outside of the resorts and corrupt leadership. Perhaps by calling s-hole some of these so-called ‘developing countries’ that never seem to develop after decades and trillions of dollars of U.S. aid (coupled with the onslaught of illegal aliens from these very same countries), maybe they will finally get their act together. But that is wishful thinking as shame doesn’t seem to work with many of these countries. Perhaps cutting off the aid is the elixir. May USAID remain in the dustbin of history.
Sorry Paula, I will not be quiet in the face of such language by the leader of our nation. Take a few minutes and look up which world leaders in history used the terms "vermin", "infestation", and "poisoning the blood" in reference to their minority populations. Read why they used them, and what the end result was. There is one especially noteworthy man that Don is explicitly parroting, unfortunately he's not the only one.
I don't know if you have children. But if your son called the little girl next door "scum", a "dog", or a "crazed crying lowlife", would you tolerate it? If the principal of your daughter's school regularly attacked the school's black girls as "low IQ", "incompetent", "horse faced", would you stay quiet, support it? Would you rationalize it by saying he had "the courage to say the quiet part out loud"? I could fill the page with examples of Don's attacks on the intelligence, incompetence, looks, etc. of women, especially black women. It's bad enough if it's a redneck in flannel using the terms, but it's beyond words that our president represents our nation in such a way. He's a small, weak, ignorant man. We should all be ashamed of him. America is better than this. We have a duty to call it out.
Remember, this is a guy who forged his political identity with a racist trope regarding Barack Obama's heritage. A guy who told us, on video, how much he enjoyed sexually assaulting women. Defend him if you will. I remember when my former party claimed that character mattered. They long ago showed they did not mean it, they were simply lying.
If this makes me guilty of white guilt, I'm happy to plead guilty. Very, very happy.
So Karl, did you deem Biden racist when On Charlamagne Tha God’s popular morning radio show during Biden’s campaign for president, he infamously asserted to the largely black audience that if they were unsure of whether to vote for him or Trump, then “you ain’t black!”? Did you label Biden as racist when in August 2020, Biden told a gathering of black and Hispanic journalists that “unlike the African American community, with notable exceptions, the Latino community is an incredibly diverse community with incredibly different attitudes about different things”, suggesting that he believed all black people think alike? In the same interview, responding to a question on whether he had taken a cognitive test, Biden angrily fired back with the suggestion that the black reporter was a drug addict. “What do you think? Are you a junkie?”Presuming you are old enough to remember, did you consider Biden a racist when, in 2010, Biden warmly eulogized Sen. Robert Byrd, a former Exalted Cyclops in the Ku Klux Klan, saying he was one of his mentors and that the Senate is a lesser place for his passing? In 2007, he referred to Barack Obama as “the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean.” In 2006, he said, “You cannot go to a 7-Eleven or a Dunkin’ Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent. Way back in 1977, he said that forced busing to desegregate schools would cause his children to “grow up in a racial jungle.” Of course, he infamously worked with segregationist senators to oppose mandatory busing, which decades later led to the strongest moment in Kamala Harris’s campaign for president, when she blasted him as having personally impacted her as a young girl. And over the course of his entire career, he had kind words to say about staunchly segregationist senators. I could go on and on. Yet, despite a lifetime of these racist blunders, Biden managed to get “elected” president. Trump’s innocuous comments over the years (often mischaracterized purposely by biased media) pale in comparison to the blatantly overt racism demonstrated by our former president. Again, people like you are not doing blacks any favors. Constantly calling Trump racist diminishes the label for bona fide racists who exist among us, Biden included.
Sorry Paula, I just can't take the whataboutism bait. It's not intellectually honest. I'm no fan of Joepa, I could add to your list above, he has a lifetime of such statements. And, he's as incoherent as Don, no mean feat. But my mother taught me at a young age that the "Billy did it first" excuse wasn't gonna wash. Besides, Joepa is long gone, last I checked Don is actually the president now?
You make me chuckle. Arguing Joepa is responsible for Don's public statements:) I love that! Given Joepa's mental state, how exactly is he pulling that off?
He’s not calling immigrants those things . Immigrants come here legally and can become citizens.
He’s talking about illegal aliens; the people who Biden let into the country w open borders. These people do not want the American dream. Many hate America and want to live off out welfare system. They don’t assimilate or get jobs. There is no path to citizenship for illegal aliens. I can understand your confusion because the MSM calls them migrants or immigrants but truly they r illegal aliens.
No that’s just not true. He uses the terms broadly. The video and reporting evidence is everywhere if you care to look. See my responses to Eric and others above. Besides, it shouldn’t matter. We’re human. We’re Americans. We have a constitution. We don’t treat fellow humans like that. Do your own research and see which “leaders” in history called people vermin, and said they were invading and poisoning the blood of their countries. Brace yourself though, the list includes the worst leader you can think of. Autocrats do this on purpose. They WANT to dehumanize these people. If the masses think they’re less than human, it opens the door to all forms of discrimination.
Sadly, this isn’t new. Italians, Catholics, Irish, Jews, Germans, Greeks, African Americans, Poles… History just keeps repeating itself. Ironically, two of Don’s three wives are immigrants who became citizens through programs Don now derides and seeks to limit. And, perish the thought, one used the dreaded “chain migration” to bring her parents here. Of course, they weren’t brown. Coincidence?
If you want to teach your son to treat the little brown girl next door like this, it’s your right. If you want to claim the Afghan man who saved American lives by risking his own while acting as an interpreter for our military, is, “poisoning our blood”, have at it. If you want to call the brown lady wiping your grandmas butt in the senior home “vermin”, because Don told you to, okey dokey. Not me. Not. Me.
Not me. It’s not remotely Christian. It’s not remotely conservative.
I think u misunderstood my comment. It’s not about race. It’s about the American dream. Come here legally w good work ethics. Get a job. Become a citizen. Love the country . I never mention race.
All those people u speak of came thru Ellis island and were vetted. They assimilated.
I think we should overhaul the immigration system so more people can come here legally.
If u come illegally there is no path to citizenship. That’s where u get problems. They need to leave and reenter legally.
I can’t watch everything Trump says or that’s all I would need doing. The media keeps changing word definitions. We need precision of language . I agree w u there
No, that's just not true. Don even used some of these terms in reference to US congresswomen. But it doesn't matter. Even criminals should not be referenced that way. Let alone the "illegals" like the ladies cleaning your hotel room or wiping your grandmothers butt in the senior home, or the guy weed whacking at Home Depot. We're Americans, we should be better than that. It's not just "unkind". It's not Christian, it's not humane. It's devoid of basic human decency. It lays bare Don's ignorance and racism.
Read history. Some of the worst authoritarians intentionally used those terms to dehumanize minority populations. It's a tactic to gain and husband power, by blaming societies complex ills on the least among us. It has also led to far worse outcomes in some cases-if someone isn't human, they're fair game for all sorts of horrific treatment.
Tolerating it, excusing it, rationalizing it, is to endorse and agree with it. Count me out.
Correct. But, was our president? He's used the same terms to describe our fellow humans regardless of their legal status. Read his words again: "invasion, vermin, rapists, eating the pets, poisoning the blood, animals, infestation, garbage, shithole countries, bloodthirsty criminals, most violent people on earth, stone cold killers, the worst people."
I'm a lifelong conservative. This blatant racism and xenophobia disgusts me. These very terms have been used by the worst authoritarian leaders in our history, look em up. It's our duty to be honest and call it out.
Read our Declaration of Independence. We were founded on a radical idea, not blood and soil. "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness"
Don has openly exposed who he is. But he's also exposed that many Americans do not support the values embodied in our Declaration. I trust that a convincing majority of Americans, like they always have, will remain true.
No, we knew we were electing a blatant racist and xenophobe. Sadly, we've since learned how many members of my former party don't just tolerate it, but like it. Really, really like it. It's so good of Don to unleash the worst among us...
The terms pair nicely with one of Don's most telling quotes: "I love the poorly educated".
Welcome to the "new" right. It's ironic how old their core beliefs are. I was woefully naive in thinking we had finally moved on from them a few decades back.
I've yet to read anything in the comments other than a disagreement over the number of actual illegal immigrants, and that argument can go either way depending on source, and which ones you consider illegal. Two acustions of ad homs that don't exist, one accusation so silly she supposedly quit.
What of Ms Coulter's query? What is the Democratic plan for deportation of people that have broken immigration law? I'd say she distilled the ideas of the slightly more than half of the country who support deporting people who have come here illegally. We had an election, we voted, democracy and all that.
What is the difference between a small population willing to commit violence because they didn't get their way and another small population willing to commit violence because they didn't get their way? Democracy is the will of the majority sometimes, in 2020 and 2024.
An open border plan is no plan at all, and one senator does not bipartisan make. Why not respond to what Ms Coulter said in her essay? Trump closed the border in 30 seconds, how exactly do we deport the more than 10 million illegally brought here to depress working class wages?
I'm a contractor. Most construction workers here that are legal, are Hispanic, and they switched our most Hispanic congressional district red. Yes young guys want to work construction, and restaurants, and at the slaughterhouses which are huge in my county and the feedlots, and everyone is long overdue for a decent wage. You might try getting to know some regular people.
I do think an secure border is important, as do most Americans.
I would like to see action on the demand side, enforcing rule against hiring illegals and visa programs better equipped/sized for agriculture and other sectors.
As for 10 mil immigrants probably a mix of deportations, but more importantly a path to legal status for a large number of folks.
What would you like to see?
Would you agree that the US needs a net increase in working age citizens to support an ageing population and declining birth rates?
A lot of the illegal immigrants are effectively self employed. Maids, landscapes, house painters, so unless you're actually ready to go after middle class homeowners for hiring an illegal to mow their yard, we have to do good old fashion immigration enforcement.
Then you get to the economically illiterate and frankly corrupt excuses for bringing in cheap foreign labor, preferable without the rights the regular citizens and legal immigrants get. The reality is that higher labor prices is what creates the incentive to innovate.
Take picking strawberries, higher wages means either more money going towards picking machines, or into using raised bed, greenhouse farming techniques to create better working conditions and year round stable employment. Then the more money going toward automation, greenhouse farming or other innovations, the better the economies of scale for those labor saving technologies and the lower prices we all pay for our strawberries, without putting up with the corruption that has been going on for decades.
You want proof, well despite decades of claiming that we need these people to pick the fruit Americans don't want to pick, the billions of dollars spent in trying to automated blue collar jobs has gone towards things like self driving cars. But wait, I don't remember anyone talking about not being able to find Americans willing to drive. The difference is that to get a driver's license you have to be in the country legally and as such get all the rights and privileges to turn to the state, the courts, or unionize to deal with abusive employers.
In reality there is already plenty of ways to reduce the labor needs and deal with the labor shortages without bringing in poorly educated people that often don't even try to assimilate and wind up using far more in government services then they will ever pay back. This also only serves to drive down wages and push up housing, healthcare, and general costs of living such that more of our own citizens find themselves putting off getting married and having children in the first place.
I saw a recent article on robotic technology - the robot was doing things comparable to what humans do with their hands. As you mention, technologies to pick strawberries and other tasks are likely to come as advances are made bringing greater efficiencies, lower costs, and higher sanitary levels (as these apply to food production), along with changes in the ways theses jobs are done, e.g., raised plant beds, greenhouse farming, etc.
Why should we reward people that broke the law to come here with a pathway to citizenship ? do you think this is fair to people like me who came here legally , put in time and money and followed the process ?
My approach would be simple : deport the ones with a criminal record first, as far as the rest set a deadline , you have until XYZ to either self deport or report yourself to DHS , this can be done online or in a app where you submit your name, adress , how long you been here , where you work and the name and birth information of your kids .
If you have kids that are born in the US you receive a visa that encompasses a work permit that is valid for 4 years and automatically renews unless you are committing a crime , you will have to maintain employment and not become a public charge.
Once the child turns 18 he will have the option to sponsor his parents for a greencard , if he denies you are out of here .
The ones who do not have kids are given the chance of their employer sponsoring them for a temporary work visa , the employer will have to prove that he can not find a american to do the job and that he pays a common wage level , the visa will tie the employee to one specific employer and if he loses the job he will have 4 weeks to find another job or be deported .
All illegals that are receiving any form of public assistance will be deported at once
Before anything else I'd like to see everyone who isn't supposed to be here, gone.
After that we can decide how many of what type of worker we need. I personally would like to see tons more doctors and teachers, they cost a lot. We have plenty of low wage laborers evidenced by our extremely low wages.
1. Mass deportations of anyone without legal status, no exceptions
2. Immediate and permanent cessation of all benefits to illegal aliens
3. The construction of a large, physical wall on our southern border
4. Punishment and incarceration of anyone who knowingly hires or aids an illegal alien
5. The indefinite end of all legal immigration
Anything essential than these measures is not worth discussing at this point. Our illegal population is probably close to 25% of our total population, we are well last the point of tweaking the system.
immigration reform does not work - period , if it would we would not have this discussion to begin with !
back in 1984 congress passed the immigration control act of 1984 that was supposed to adress the 2M illegal immigrants that were living in the US at the time , it was full of promises to secure the border , everify and stepped up workplace enforcement yet the ink wasnt dry on the document when republicans pushed by the USCC started to water down the enforcement provisins
Immigration reform under Biden was a joke. A panicky response to what Mayorkas and his ghouls unleashed at the borders. The Democrats never mention the thousands of American citizens who have been killed by illegals over the past 10 years. Biden revved it up. Democrats have a lot to answer for. Too little, too late.
Lost in this argument is the number of legal immigrants who enter the USA each year, currently at around two million (that's 20 million in a decade - the population of NY State), so there is already a path to citizenship for those who play by the immigration rules, a fact the open borders proponents conveniently ignore.
Biden had a plan to keep the border open indefinitely and to prevent future administrations from changing it. It was a terrible plan and deceived many people, including you. Thankfully, President Trump put an end to it.
Fact is that Biden opened the borders and then feigned "immigration reform" that codified legal entry...allowing millions to remain..don't waste our time with this type of silliness.
this may be a novel concept to you but the job of member of congress is to represent the people in their district or in the case of senators the people in their state , they are not to represent the party or special interest groups .
The majority of voters at least in border states never supported amnesty for illegal aliens yet republicans tried numerous times to push another amnesty mostly because they knew that their voters in order to keep democrats from winning would swallow the bitter pill and vote for them no matter what !
The latest attempt when biden was in office actually was not killed by trump but interestingly by the actions of democrats and the biden administration .
The migrant surge and the lack of any action by biden to curb the influx along with attempts by democrats to blackmail republicans into passing amnesty infurirated voters so much that immigration reform became toxic and so republicans scared of a primary challenge backed off
Their terrible plan was to codify Joe Biden’s failed open border into law.
Biden-Harris-Mayorkas claimed for the 4 years of the failed Biden administration that there was nothing they could do to halt the human tidal wave of rapists, murderers, drug pushers, drunk drivers, burglars, theives and welfare parasites crashing over the Southern border.
Weird how President Trump squashed illegal border crossings to effectively zero within weeks of taking office by simply authorizing USBP to do their job and enforce existing law.
Yes it was the lankford bill(a republican) that trump blocked. Biden admin failed epically on border. Obama left the pragmatic playbook for how to control the border until bipartisan immigration reform could get passed. They dropped the ball so we’re stuck with this unqualified adolescent as president.
What a joke, the plan was to give more money to DHS so that we could move more illegals into the country. The unqualified adolescent POTUS closed the border down in days without any new laws. Why were we lied to by the senile POTUS that nothing could be done to close the border down without more money and new laws when DJT proved it could be done.
The republican lankford plan i think you’re referring to…
I fully acknowledge that the Biden admin epically failed as have many past presidents on immigration going back to the 80s when Reagan gave amnesty to 4million undocumented people. But the solution will ultimately be a BIPARTISAN bill. It has to be. Thinking you can remove ALL undocumented people is ignorant of understanding scale. It’s not possible. Trump is not emotionally or intellectually adequate to serve and yes Biden was too senile as well. Have they both done domestic good? Yes. Getting Europe to oay more for their own defense. And getting Finland & Sweden into Nato! T& B respectively.
Consider the absurdity of your premise, that we cannot remove ALL illegal immigrants. That is not the question. There are always some criminals who manage to evade justice - the question is, can we remove so many that it ceases to be the huge problem that is has become and that it discourages further intrusions.
Canada is often cited as second on the list of nations in the world that others wish to emigrate to but they have 1/10 the percent of illegal immigrants in their population as the US has. Your belief that we cannot remove 10+ million illegal aliens when that many snuck in over the last four years represents a lack of resolve and creativity, as well as your own wrong end of the telescope ignorance of scale. Your sense that Trump is not emotionally or intellectually adequate is equally flawed - perhaps reflecting a touch of the Dunning-Krueger effect.
I was about thirty when Reagan got his bill passed and it didn't nothing but encourage more illegals to cross. There will never be a compromise because people learned form the Reagan bill it is all a lie that the laws would be enforced. I don't see the GOP base EVER supporting a bill unless there are provisions to seriously enforce the new laws. The democrats don't ever see an illegal that should be deported. In fact a lot of democrats want to eliminate ICE and the BP. Waltz is demanding that ICE and the BP be removed from his state which will open the Canadian border in MN up.
As I recall, a Congressman was questioned on C-Span some 10+ years ago. He noted the 1986 Immigration Bill's intent was to give amnesty to approximately three million illegal aliens, but there was so much corruption and intentional failures to enforce the bill's provisions in that amnesty that approximately 15 million eventually got amnesty. If this historic example is used as a guide, giving amnesty to some 20 million illegal aliens will end up giving tens of millions of illegal aliens amnesty, resulting in our nation being overwhelmed, the death of the Republican Party, and the Dems in more or less total electoral control for decades in the future. Isn't that exactly the Dems' goal, which is why they opposed the border, interior ICE/DHS enforcement, no voter ID, and other measures to ensure they always win elections.
I was 16 when the Reagan bill passed. I would never join any political party but have voted Dem most of my life. I do think our country is a nation of immigrants & that gives us our comparative advantage. 3/4 of my family came from Italy in 1903 others were here longer. But our immigration system is a problem. Not as big of a problem as our unfair tax code where billionaires literally pay $0 (see professor madoff’s new book “2nd estate”)!!!
But order at the border is necessary though many just overstay visa as well. Hypocritically and ironically biden admin closed border for the election. What fumbasses… should’ve been done from day 1. Obama left the playbook & they dropped the ball. Obama was criticized as deporter n chief by left wing bc he kept things in check and did it without masked militias in street & rhetoric about mexicans being rapists. Again bc of Biden failure we have this absolute corrupt clown who spent the first 60 yrs of his life being a NY playboy and pals with ppl like Epstein. What a joke.
You mean RINO Lankford, right? And Biden the vegetable did nothing. All of the worst of the "Biden" administration was accomplished with an autopen, and all of it should be reversed. Whoever utilized the autopen was elected by no one. Let that sink in as we all throw barbs at one another.
lol, the Langford bill was a joke. It did nothing, so that was why it was laughed at. A Democrat local operative wrote a LTE about this bill in our local paper which is very left wing, and it was all gaslighting lies like that comes out of the mouths of, Schumer, Raskin Pritzkers, Newsome, Walz, Biden, Harris Schiff, et al. We do not want to be the YOO-KAY. GET IT?
Conservative lawmakers felt the Senate bill was too weak compared to H.R. 2 (the Secure the Border Act), which had already passed the GOP-led House. They criticized the Senate version for:
Failing to mandate a border wall.
Not ending the "parole" authority used by the Biden administration.
Continuing "catch and release" by allowing work permits for those awaiting asylum hearings.
That is a shame. This was a cogent and well-argued discussion of where we are now and why. Maybe your friends would do well to read it. Maybe you would.
I did read it. It starts out with a mischaracterization of an app that was developed to organize safe asylum applications. Despite misgivings, I read it all. Believe me I understand critiques of immigration policy under Biden (why would I have clicked otherwise?) but this felt like a regurgitation of what I've heard before. That would have been fine, but I've read those without the vitriol. There are plenty of "cogent and well-argued discussions of where we are now and why" that don't stoop to bending the truth and trying to insult people. Who is this piece for? You I guess. But not progressives who are willing and even eager to engage in substantive and thoughtful dialogues. Which is why I'm disinclined to recommend this to a friend, or anyone really.
You talk as though we weren’t here when this was going on. Of course there was the CBP One app and we all saw it and observed what it was for. We knew about the federal flights coming in full of illegals who got to bypass customs. We knew about the free hotels, cell phones, food, and medical. Who do you think you are with this gaslighting, as if nobody can remember anything over a year ago.
Great point Art. Joepa implements a failed immigration policy, so of course the logical response is to send masked federal agents to gun down unarmed fellow citizens in the back. Ten shots at a defenseless man. Ten. And then, our government immediately lied about him.
I'm sure you'll support the next D prez sending masked agents into red jurisdictions to gun down a few white boys in flannel under the guise of deporting criminals?
If those white boys in flannel are armed and or trying to run over them with a car then well yeah sure. The level of brainwashing you are exhibiting here is truly frightening. All talking points and no reality.
It's so delicious to watch the far right now try and blame the killings on the victims. Especially the "armed" trope. It was the guns fault:) MAGA is the same crowd that told us the 2nd amendment was sacred, and there so we can defend ourselves when a lawless, outta control federal government comes for us. Don't you love irony?
Of course, if carrying guns to a protest is bad, or illegal, me thinks the pot is callin the kettle black:) I guess your point is that ICE and CBP are so scared of people yelling at them and brandishing cell phones, that they are justified in killing fellow civilians. If that's the standard, how many MAGA folk would the capitol police have been justified in gunning down during Don's insurrection? After all, being beaten with confederate flagpoles seems worse than being yelled at by a random mom armed with children's toys.
I feel for you. It isn't easy to refute video, tell us we don't see what we plainly see, and try to say we're the ones being brainwashed. I love it!
And um, did ya notice they disarmed him, before plugging him ten times?
Welcome to the "new" right. Thanks for being explicit as to the type of country you wanna live in.
Bryan Malinowski was gunned down in his home by ATF agents during the Biden admin, due to an executive imperative for the ATF to aggressively harass small time gun dealers and private sellers.
That’s the mercy of Democratic administrations: bursting in with a tactical team in a pre-dawn raid because a man enjoyed flipping guns as a side hobby.
They snuck a bunch into Florida but DeSantis caught them and sent 50 to the sanctuary city, Marta’s Vineyard. Obama and his neighbors sent them packing asap. That’s the definition of hypocrisy.
I think we need more LEGAL immigration. The legal immigrants have a path to citizenship and want to work to achieve the American dream.
Sarah .. I mean "Sarah". Do you think us children? You are a troll, probably DNC paid to sit there all day to seed discord among DNC targets. But you aren't good at it, due to not actually understanding your target or it's nuances. ( I mean if you did, you wouldn't be long working for the DNC). This isn't 1998. You are easy to spot.
Jeepers Bob, up a little late? Lemme guess, you were dutifully watching Bad Bunny halftime show reruns from the basement, trying to figure out how your fellow citizen could possibly be the most popular musician on the planet, and why he so triggers the MAGA cult. And then, outta nowhere, the paranoia flared up again... Dagnabbit. Hang in there big guy, it's a scary world out there.
I thought the Bad Bunny performance was excellent, and the list of American nations after the statement "God Bless America" was genius, and moving. I haven't seen any "MAGA" cultist being "triggered", but I am bombarded with folks saying that they are.. whoever 'they' are. Capturing one seems to be as elusive and finding a self-identified unabashed member of the "WOKE". There are only two Parties in this country .. and both are in a state of flux. And who cares at all if there really were some kind of "followers of cult leader" Trump? If he were 49 instead of 79, I might be bothered to be concerned. Trump hasn't even changed a law in this country as far as I can tell .. though he has helpfully demonstrated the danger in having too many federal laws and regulations laying around waiting for someone to weaponize. Just as Trump helped Democrats remember the value of State's Rights and State Sovereignty. The Founding Fathers wrote a Constitution under the certain assumption that the worst of us would eventually hold the reins. Democrats seem always determined to create a powerful Federal government that counted on the best of us to be in charge. Ensuring that, is exhausting - I suspect one reason the USA led the charge into the technological future is because our citizens did not have to put their energy into politics .. because as late as 1945, even our President had very little influence over our day to day lives .. no one knew or cared Teddy Roosevelt's views on say, abortion.
I am sorry sarah, I can't hug you, kiss you, and comfort you , and say nice things to you sweetie, you bitches have managed to destroy the most successful nation in the world, just in a few decades, so don't act all gentle and tenderly, liberal bitches are the absolute worst kind, fuck you sarah.
As a center left liberal I always try to keep an open mind. I thought it a good essay, it never actually tipped over into a rant, and it covered all the bases with few words and a little humor. Yes it's by Ann Coulter, so what.
kind of a distinction without a difference if you ask me. Think of it this way: if my husband calls a point I make stupid, what might I extrapolate from the adjective he chose to describe something that I said?
Note: I didn't call your reply to me "stupid." I called it a distinction without a difference. Words matter.
It is extraordinarily different. Losing sight of that difference is how our nation, especially but not solely, those on the once liberal left, discarded the genuine debate on the stage set by the Founding Fathers in favor of Ad Hominem everywhere all the time. And once that became acceptable .. well it is MUCH easier to find a text or even a quote from some classmate 3 decades prior than to craft a winning argument.
So after years of conservatives being called white supremacists — including black conservatives like me — we’re now supposed to have ‘civil discourse’. That’s rich.
I think he has a good question. What do we do when handed a mess by the previous president and the sanctuary cities no longer support the federal law.? They did when Obama was president. He deported approximately 3 million.
I may lean right but I’m libertarian and would like small government. It’s all a mess
Everyone here illegally must leave. Illegal is illegal. If someone has been here 20 years but never made an effort to become legal- bye bye! I’m so tired of this. During Biden administration we spent untold billions of dollars on illegal aliens while our veterans remain homeless and suicidal. It is shameful
The initial appeal of Commonplace, at least to me, was that it offered conservative viewpoints that were different than those parroted by Fox News, Newsmax, etc., or offered by people other than the classic right wing talking heads. I’m realizing I may have been idealistic and it may shortly become another Fox or NR clone, soon to be spouting whatever is the nonsense de jour of the administration. I guess it’s nice for Ann that she is getting work these days but did Commonplace really have to be the ones to give it to her?
And where and when on Fox News, Newsmax, etc, have you been offered an opinion by Ann Coulter? I see her only on Bill Maher. Ad Hominem is not a good look. Ad Hominem attacks are the weapon of choice by the Cancel Culture Contingent. Do better, Mister Hirsch. We know you can.
To spell it out, I meant that Coulter’s points in the article are the same you’d see/hear on Fox News (whether or not she’s been featured recently) and she is a “classic conservative talking head,” though she may not be as big as she was in the early part of this century. Fair enough on the ad hominem, I’m typically not a fan of writers whose vitriol drips off the page, and the fact that it was in a Commonplace post made it more jarring.
One does not know if a viewpoint is "different" until it is uttered. Ann is known for sometimes being quite "different", so a good bet, regardless of finished product. Plus I am always curious about a take from a player from a past political universe. The old teams are gone and the new teams are being formed. I am curious with which Party the libertarians will align this time around. The Reagan era alliance w/the Moral Majority and then the unexpected Drug Warrior contingent was very uneasy. The Moral Majority of the Right has died out. The Moral Majority (SJWs) on the Left is young and either ascendant or peaked in 2022. Not sure yet. I'm a conservative because I'm a liberal .. which means definitely not the recent Democrat Party, and I have hopes for what might emerge from Vance, Gabbard, etc if they given a chance to bloom post-Trump.
Second that, lost credibility right from the start basing the entire essay on the dubois posit of '...10 million illegal immigrants President Biden let in?'
I don't play in the political 'sandbox' and did not immediately notice Coulter but understood her after 2 paragraphs.
I think the ones here for 20 years are also illegal aliens (that is legal tern - illegal aliens are not immigrants) probably number over 20 million and they all need to go
I'd say the GOP governor of Oklahoma has it right. The deportations are necessary. The chaos is not. Obama was referred to by Latino activists as the Deporter in Chief, and his numbers bear that out. The chaos, however, wasn't a factor back then.
What has changed? A rhetorical question. Much has changed. Progressive liberal Mayors and Governors do everything in their power to thwart ICE. Furthermore the media has completely flipped from being adoring fans of anything O’bama did to hating anything associated with Trump.
Such an empty, empty piece. I am very sympathetic to the argument that Biden went way too far in opening-up, but this is just more partisan bullshit that acts like an innocent man's death was because of some kids who didn't want US citizens being deported. Pretending that ICE murders are a "sad but neccessary" part of enforcement is nonsense. We really *have* had enforcement for many decades without the need to sweep up US citizens either, one does not need to be a partisan to know that there was enforcement before ICE. Was it perfect, hell no! There were gaping loopholes in that system, but yet it still was a good-enough one to maintain America's trust for many, many years such that the narrative of the 'immigrant melting-pot' nation could form, which would be impossible under a true 'open-border regime' for there would be so much disorder to make it impossible. I would wish many changes to it, but pushing ICE officers to go on and deport every person they can without any checks is not "proper enforcement" that will fix these loopholes. And acting like the claim that "illegal immigrants are human beings" is some malicious progressive plot rather than a genuine value? Whether you like it or not people do indeed truly wish to treat other people with fundamental dignities, including the "half of the Republican party" which you seem to berate for their principles! What a shame that the guest author has not developed her thoughts beyond the 'party-line' and shame on you, Oren, for pushing this nonsense! You know people can get thoughtless MAGA cheerleading from many places, why do you wish to put it here as well?
Open borders is not a "bug" in the Dem platform, it is a feature. If they attain power again (Senate, House, Judgeships, Presidency) this country is over. That's all. Over.
This article reflects a typical “all‑or‑none” mindset that seeks to label and dismiss rather than engage with social phenomena in a meaningful way. The author’s logic is that anyone who criticizes the government or federal ICE agents must automatically be a Democrat, a liberal, and in favor of open borders. That reasoning is indefensible. Open‑border policy is bad. A militant approach to deportation is also bad. Both truths can coexist.
The name‑calling in this piece is subtle but unmistakable. Consider the line: “…the media canonize liberal agitators, who swarm ICE agents, throw iced water bottles at them…and try to provoke officers into an aggressive response that can be endlessly replayed, out of context, amid commentators’ theatrical expressions of horror.” First, “liberal agitators”? Or simply Americans? It has been reported that many Republicans disagree with the tactics being used, even while supporting deportation of undocumented immigrants. Second, we know that more undocumented migrants were deported during the Obama administration than under Trump, yet none of the current horrors were witnessed.
Statements such as “The chaos we’re seeing surrounding immigration enforcement today is the inevitable consequence when the federal government finally puts an end to decades of open‑border lawlessness that intransigent opponents want to extend” are intentionally misleading.
And to the claim about “…the Clinton administration’s campaign to send little Elián González back to a communist dictatorship”, here’s what I’ve learned. The background is that Elián was a six‑year‑old Cuban boy who survived a dangerous boat journey from Cuba to Florida in November 1999. His mother drowned during the crossing. After being rescued, he was placed with relatives in Miami, who wanted him to remain in the United States. His father, still in Cuba, demanded his return, supported by Fidel Castro’s government. How can one compare a single, complex human tragedy to a mass policy of cruelty?
Ann Coulter? Kinda speechless on this one. Take a minute and look up the filth she has spewed.
Who's next, David Duke?
Welcome to the "new" right. This must be a sign that as Don's administration continues to crater, Oren has chosen to go all in on the insanity. Being smart is one thing. Having character another.
Sorry Bubba, lifelong conservative here. There’s plenty to criticize about Joepa’s failed immigration policy. I have a long list too. That doesn’t justify Coulter’s past statements. She’s just an old fashioned cable hack looking for ratings from mouth breathers. It’s an act. A boring, unsophisticated act aimed at personal enrichment.
Joepa’s failures also don’t justify gunning down protesters wielding cell phones with ten bullets in the back.
Character used to matter to conservatives. Don doesn’t just expose himself, he exposes his followers-do they believe what they’ve preached, or do they blindly follow the aging, dementia riddled politician. We all get to choose. I’ll continue thinking we can be more civilized.
Karl, how bitch are you, my guess is a 10, its not gunning down Karl, it's shooting violent, unstable criminals, law enforcement does that all the time, americans are being absolutely killed by illegal immigration, stealing, killing, looting, raping, and just simple out breeding, nothing civilized about it.
Uh, they were fellow citizens. Not criminals. Good to hear you're cool with masked federal agents shooting unarmed citizens 10 times starting in the back.
Why 10 times? Ten. Times.
And why the masks? Why are they so afraid? Real cops don't wear masks. Our military doesn't wear masks.
I think my favorite "apprehension" was the swat team, accompanied by a video crew, who "took down" the sandwich man. After he offered to surrender voluntarily for getting mustard on the poor masked thug.
You've made clear you support the government killing citizens for protesting.
Accordingly, how many insurrectionists do you think the Capitol police were justified in killing for beating cops on January 6th? Beating them seems worse than merely yelling and waving your phone around. Doesn't it? Please be specific.
Maybe donate your brain to science after you die. I think everybody would love to understand how TDS causes such warped and unsubstantiated delusions.
Dude got 10 bullets because he was an idiot. Brough a gun and scared the shit out of a bunch of guys who where trained to play better safe than dead from a leftist wackadoodle.
Don't obstruct and escalate and bad situations won't happen to you. It is pretty easy.
Why exactly do you think it is OK for leftists to obstruct the enforcement of laws we ALL agreed to that were enacted using the legislative process we ALL agreed to.
Why do leftist get a free pass to obstruct and riot?
Why wasn't the holy leftist idiot working to legislate his preferences using the rules I have to use. Why does he get veto power over the laws we ALL agreed to - just because he is an ahole?
Help me out. I can't figger out why all the manly he-men with tactical gear, automatic weapons, masks, communication devices, scary camo outfits, etc, were so scared of the random single mom armed with children's toys? Why were they so scared of an unarmed nurse pinned to the ground waving a cell phone? They'd already removed the gun he never drew, why were they so scared? What did they think he was gonna do to them, say something mean about their mama?
Geez dude, if you can be plugged ten times in the back by the feds because you're "an idiot", aren't we all in the crosshairs?
Isn't maga supposed to support the first and second amendments? It sounds like you're far more liberal than the NRA. They were honest enough to oppose Don claiming the government was justified in executing our fellow citizen because he was carrying a gun. I stand with the NRA.
Their information is that there is a gun, and a shot was just fired.
AND they also know that they never fire first.
And they are trained to fire back when shot at, because their lives matter too.
9 out of 10 have zero idea the idiot has even been disarmed of the gun.
All ten assume the idiot is shooting at them. They must.
Even the one holding the idiot's gun that just hair-trigger fired. Even he hasn't put together the actual sequence of events in less the 0.5 seconds.
Their training is to fire back when shot at. So they do.
They don't ask questions and have a chat session.
They don't rerun the video 3 times in slow motion at different angles.
They defend themselves from an already demonstrated deranged idiot hyped up on virtue juice pumped into him from the DNC and low-IQ fools.
Wild mistake. Sure. But a mistake 100% cause by the idiot that brought a hair-trigger gun and then acted like a lunatic, so everybody absolutely believed he had the capacity and desire to use it.
"aren't we all in the crosshairs?" NO!
Less that 1 in 100 million people are stupid enough to bring a hair-trigger gun to obstruct legitimate police enforcement.
Evil cops? Absolutely not even remotely accurate.
It is as if leftists enjoy freaking themselves out over things that don't even exist. Yours, is the desperate search for saintly glory of the social justice warrior who has to invent stuff to get his seritonin rush that he is going to go to heaven.
Again, Bubba, I'm a lifelong conservative. I'm not into the left's identity obsession. But that doesn't mean I can't see plain video and be honest about it. And it doesn't mean I will sacrifice my beliefs because an aging, incoherent politician tells me to.
It's fascinating. I would have thought you supported the first and second amendments. But, your position is that the victim had it coming for legally carrying a gun in compliance with both local law and the 2nd amendment. You believe that if you exercise your 1st and 2nd amendment rights, the price you could pay is the federal government is free to kill you. They can disarm you, swarm you with heavily armed men too scared to show their faces, then plug you ten times starting in the back. Ten. Times. Ten. And you're cool with that.
That isn't much of a constitutional right, is it?
I stand with the NRA. They called out Don, Kristi et al for holding your position. I would have thought you'd support the NRA, not the politician? You can defend the federal government if you wish, it's your constitutional right. As a conservative, I'll remain skeptical of politicians, and defend individual rights and freedoms. I thought that was what America was all about.
The hyperbole makes you look ether disinguenuous or mentally ill.
"why all the manly he-men ... were so scared of the random single mom armed with children's toys?"
One (1) man was scared because the self-righteous wackadoodle backed up to get a run on him, the turned the wheels of a 2 ton vehicle to aim right at him, and then accelerated while her even more deranged "husband" screamed "drive, drive drive". All after they both acted in dangerous and stupid ways making both the leftist harpy's actions unpredictable and likely deranged.
No "toys" involved. I 2-ton vehicle. No "he-men" about it. Guy trying to do his job while fanatics obstruct and act objectively insane.
No "random mom". A lady who had been obstructing and acting irraticlly and stupidly for the last 30 minutes.
The rest of your garbage post is the same.
A total lack of connection with anything remotely resembling reality.
Complete and total acceptance of the leftist brainwashing without a single neuron of critical thinking or of common sense.
So your point is that exercising your first and second amendment rights is like "taking selfies next to a cliff", and puts you in danger from your government. And if they shoot you, it makes you, the individual, not the government who shot them, responsible? That's not much of a "constitutional right" is it? And it's not a very compelling argument:)
ICE and CBP leaders testified in a Senate committee last week that yelling, and waving a cell phone, are neither assault nor illegal. You can watch their sworn testimony
online. So you tell me, what did he do that justified being shot, ten times, while unarmed, while being swarmed by militarized government agents? Ten. Shots. That's-10. This isn't a clerical error by the government, they killed him. Why?
PS, we conservatives are supposed to be wary of the federal government and its agents, remember? We oppose the concentration of government power, especially at the federal level, and support federalism, aka, states rights. Remember, that's why you support (supposedly) the second amendment-to defend yourself against a rogue state when they come for you. To preserve your right to protest your government. Or so MAGA has said forever. If you still believe that, it must apply to everyone, especially the people you dislike. I'm sorry about this, but that's the way civil society must operate.
I respect your position, but I'll still side with the NRA against you and the politicians on this one.
I have a long memory and I can remember Coulter supporting Romney in the primary. Romney supported the 2023 immigration Trojan Horse deal that Trump derailed.
I just read that .. and it does not really say anything at all. It is also a gimmick to let the other person state a number and then confidently and accurately say that number is incorrect. Because it will be. Much harder to respond with your own number. If the headline read "Millions" the meaning communicated would be the same. Also, even if the Politifact essay is deciphered to mean what you think it means .. it is still only referring to documented encounters .. Ann estimate of actual border-crossers could legitimately be relying on a standard estimation tool to multiply documented lawbreakers by a ratio in order to arrive at a working number of actual lawbreakers. I break the posted speed limit every time I drive.
You are asserting that the actual number of times a speed law is broken is .. identical to those who were actually pulled over? Ann's number of border-crossers and fly-overs might be an educated or biased grasp at a haystack .. but so is Politifacts.
Tom Homan says 10 million known, 2 million got-aways. I go by his 12 million number but he also says we have no idea how many came in completely unknown to us. All together though this is at least 12 million people who arrived that we know nothing at all about. Does America even still exist as a country?
And that is just in Biden's 4 years. Somewhere between 35-45 million illegals is the fair total number. At least 10% of the US population. Sucking up welfare, education resources, free healthcare, increasing housing demand, SNAP costs, crime rates, etc.
According to a 2018 Yale Study the actual number of illegals was about 22 million, double the 11 million the media had used for decades. Many of the 22 million before Biden had been here for many years and really had become integrated into their communities. Many though, like the Somali’s in Minneapolis, were still living on welfare and were engaging in criminal activities plus many illegals were also using stolen social security numbers which was an endless headache for the Americans whose SS numbers had been stolen and who had a terrible time trying to fix this.
In spite of all the abuses though illegal immigration wasn’t a major issue by the end of his 1st term since the border and been fairly well secured in spite of the democrats best efforts to thwart him. If you add the 12 million since the democrats opened the southern border 4 years ago we come up with at least 34 million. And now the democrats are committed to keeping them all here and demonizing ICE for working to deport them. This is just not working at all.
“After running 1,000,000 simulations of the model, the researchers’ 95% probability range is 16 million to 29 million, with 22.1 million as the mean.”
“Yale Study Finds Twice as Many Undocumented Immigrants as Previous Estimates.”
Vacuous. Stick to thoughtful conservatives willing to do a deep dive into the facts. Sure some liberals may “hate” the police, as do a number of conservatives. Argument by as hominem attack is beneath Commonplace.
Coulter, a partisan D-List hack if there was one, substitutes rhetoric for facts. Border “encounters” are not the same as immigrants being “let in,” and both Democratic and Republican administrations have enforced immigration law and carried out deportations. Many migrants used legal asylum channels created by Congress, not a secret invitation to break the law. Claiming Democrats want zero enforcement is a strawman that ignores their stated position: prioritize criminals and recent arrivals while addressing long-term residents through legislation. Mass deporting millions would cost hundreds of billions, devastate key industries, and trigger major constitutional due-process battles. Disagreeing over scope and method isn’t open borders—it’s a policy debate Coulter reduces to caricature. Last, their was bi-partisan legislation to address immigration, but Trump nixed it, to keep the flames of the issue burning. F- for Coulter and Trump.
As a daughter of so-called “brown people“ who emigrated LEGALLY from Jamaica, West Indies to the United States in 1949, I commend President Trump for enforcing our immigration laws. Those laws worked for my parents back in 1949, and they can work today if properly enforced. Bravo President Trump! Finally, I am getting what I voted for.
Thank you. It is infuriating, or at least eye-rolling, when the Press knowingly conflates illegal immigrants with immigrants. Americans love immigrants! But if we keep being taught that the word for "illegal alien" is now "immigrants", will we be tarred as xenophobes when we start saying 'we are against immigrants' and they suddenly forget that they are the ones who redefined "immigrant" to now mean 'illegal aliens'. This attempt to defame people and control the debate by changing the language eventually caught up with them when they tried broaden "woman" to include "man". Maybe this too will backfire.
Hear, Hear Bob! Furthermore, immigrants who came to the U.S. decades ago, came here with the purpose of being value-added to America, and had to prove that they would be a benefit to America, which should be the purpose of immigration, not the other way around. In fact, when my parents emigrated to the U.S., they had to be sponsored by my aunt and uncle who emigrated to the U.S. years before my parents did and had to attest to U.S. immigration authorities that my parents had skills that would enable them to be gainfully employed and be self-sufficient in the U.S. My Dad, as a teenager, worked in agriculture and bauxite manufacturing in its early days in Jamaica and came here and held multiple jobs ranging from working on farms to working in factories in New Jersey and Upstate NY. And my Mom was a highly-skilled seamstress who, upon arrival in the U.S., worked in the garment district in New York City while also working as a cook and domestic for a wealthy family on the upper east side of Manhattan. There weren’t many, if any, public assistance programs for immigrants, let alone citizens. Frankly, given my parents’ fierce independence and work ethic, they wouldn’t have wanted it. Today, we have many immigrants coming here, legally and illegally, only to take advantage of U.S. taxpayer-funded public assistance programs and they have no desire to assimilate and become a part of the American fabric. Instead, many come here and try to change the very essence of what it means to be an American, and the Democrat Party is aiding in that process. One of my favorite political commentators, Andrew Wilkow, always says the following: “You can’t bring there to here without here becoming there.” And in response to this, a Democrat leftist might say, we are ‘global citizens’. I strongly disagree. We are AMERICANS with a distinct culture and values that need to be preserved for the good of our people, and the world.
We are a nation of immigrants and this country was build by immigrants coming from russia , germany, poland , italy and many other countries which is why the US often was refered to as the melting pot but guess what ?
if you call a company you dont hear press 1 for english, 2 for russian , 3 for german , 4 for polish and 5 for italian ..., you also dont hear any of them sayin i am german or flying the flag of their old countries ....
No those people assimilated into our society , they learned the language they gave their kids american names , they fought in a war against their old country without ever having a moments doubt about where their allegiance was ... because this is what immigrants do . Those illegal aliens are not immigrants
Nailed it.
Great point Bob. Thanks for the lesson in nomenclature. But I'm stumped, I'm not sure that all Americans love immigrants. I need your wisdom. Don, our president and pied piper of the "new" right, has used the following terms to describe immigrants. "Invasion, vermin, rapists, eating the pets, poisoning the blood, animals, infestation, garbage, shithole countries, bloodthirsty criminals, most violent people on earth, stone cold killers, the worst people."
Kristi Noem used the following phrase to describe her love: “a full travel ban on every damn country that’s been flooding our nation with killers, leeches, and entitlement junkies.”
Please explain how their nomenclature conveys their love. This country boy just ain't followin... Thank you for your attention to this matter.
Karl, please stop with the white guilt (presuming you are white, if not, my response is still apropos). I am a black woman born and raised in New York City and witnessed how Trump brought the City back from total despair in the late 70s and early 80s. I never saw any indication that he was a racist, and I don’t see it now. What I see is a leader who has the courage to say the quiet stuff out loud, saying what needs to be said. I’d rather have that than liberals who espouse the bigotry of low expectations and who coddle dysfunction. They are not doing black people any favors. And as for Trump calling some countries s-holes, I would be the first as the daughter of Jamaican immigrants to say that if it were not for tourism, which is essentially the country’s only lifeline, Jamaica would be one of those s-hole countries, and in some respects it is, due to rampant crime outside of the resorts and corrupt leadership. Perhaps by calling s-hole some of these so-called ‘developing countries’ that never seem to develop after decades and trillions of dollars of U.S. aid (coupled with the onslaught of illegal aliens from these very same countries), maybe they will finally get their act together. But that is wishful thinking as shame doesn’t seem to work with many of these countries. Perhaps cutting off the aid is the elixir. May USAID remain in the dustbin of history.
Sorry Paula, I will not be quiet in the face of such language by the leader of our nation. Take a few minutes and look up which world leaders in history used the terms "vermin", "infestation", and "poisoning the blood" in reference to their minority populations. Read why they used them, and what the end result was. There is one especially noteworthy man that Don is explicitly parroting, unfortunately he's not the only one.
I don't know if you have children. But if your son called the little girl next door "scum", a "dog", or a "crazed crying lowlife", would you tolerate it? If the principal of your daughter's school regularly attacked the school's black girls as "low IQ", "incompetent", "horse faced", would you stay quiet, support it? Would you rationalize it by saying he had "the courage to say the quiet part out loud"? I could fill the page with examples of Don's attacks on the intelligence, incompetence, looks, etc. of women, especially black women. It's bad enough if it's a redneck in flannel using the terms, but it's beyond words that our president represents our nation in such a way. He's a small, weak, ignorant man. We should all be ashamed of him. America is better than this. We have a duty to call it out.
Remember, this is a guy who forged his political identity with a racist trope regarding Barack Obama's heritage. A guy who told us, on video, how much he enjoyed sexually assaulting women. Defend him if you will. I remember when my former party claimed that character mattered. They long ago showed they did not mean it, they were simply lying.
If this makes me guilty of white guilt, I'm happy to plead guilty. Very, very happy.
So Karl, did you deem Biden racist when On Charlamagne Tha God’s popular morning radio show during Biden’s campaign for president, he infamously asserted to the largely black audience that if they were unsure of whether to vote for him or Trump, then “you ain’t black!”? Did you label Biden as racist when in August 2020, Biden told a gathering of black and Hispanic journalists that “unlike the African American community, with notable exceptions, the Latino community is an incredibly diverse community with incredibly different attitudes about different things”, suggesting that he believed all black people think alike? In the same interview, responding to a question on whether he had taken a cognitive test, Biden angrily fired back with the suggestion that the black reporter was a drug addict. “What do you think? Are you a junkie?”Presuming you are old enough to remember, did you consider Biden a racist when, in 2010, Biden warmly eulogized Sen. Robert Byrd, a former Exalted Cyclops in the Ku Klux Klan, saying he was one of his mentors and that the Senate is a lesser place for his passing? In 2007, he referred to Barack Obama as “the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean.” In 2006, he said, “You cannot go to a 7-Eleven or a Dunkin’ Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent. Way back in 1977, he said that forced busing to desegregate schools would cause his children to “grow up in a racial jungle.” Of course, he infamously worked with segregationist senators to oppose mandatory busing, which decades later led to the strongest moment in Kamala Harris’s campaign for president, when she blasted him as having personally impacted her as a young girl. And over the course of his entire career, he had kind words to say about staunchly segregationist senators. I could go on and on. Yet, despite a lifetime of these racist blunders, Biden managed to get “elected” president. Trump’s innocuous comments over the years (often mischaracterized purposely by biased media) pale in comparison to the blatantly overt racism demonstrated by our former president. Again, people like you are not doing blacks any favors. Constantly calling Trump racist diminishes the label for bona fide racists who exist among us, Biden included.
Sorry Paula, I just can't take the whataboutism bait. It's not intellectually honest. I'm no fan of Joepa, I could add to your list above, he has a lifetime of such statements. And, he's as incoherent as Don, no mean feat. But my mother taught me at a young age that the "Billy did it first" excuse wasn't gonna wash. Besides, Joepa is long gone, last I checked Don is actually the president now?
You make me chuckle. Arguing Joepa is responsible for Don's public statements:) I love that! Given Joepa's mental state, how exactly is he pulling that off?
He’s not calling immigrants those things . Immigrants come here legally and can become citizens.
He’s talking about illegal aliens; the people who Biden let into the country w open borders. These people do not want the American dream. Many hate America and want to live off out welfare system. They don’t assimilate or get jobs. There is no path to citizenship for illegal aliens. I can understand your confusion because the MSM calls them migrants or immigrants but truly they r illegal aliens.
We need reform and borders.
No that’s just not true. He uses the terms broadly. The video and reporting evidence is everywhere if you care to look. See my responses to Eric and others above. Besides, it shouldn’t matter. We’re human. We’re Americans. We have a constitution. We don’t treat fellow humans like that. Do your own research and see which “leaders” in history called people vermin, and said they were invading and poisoning the blood of their countries. Brace yourself though, the list includes the worst leader you can think of. Autocrats do this on purpose. They WANT to dehumanize these people. If the masses think they’re less than human, it opens the door to all forms of discrimination.
Sadly, this isn’t new. Italians, Catholics, Irish, Jews, Germans, Greeks, African Americans, Poles… History just keeps repeating itself. Ironically, two of Don’s three wives are immigrants who became citizens through programs Don now derides and seeks to limit. And, perish the thought, one used the dreaded “chain migration” to bring her parents here. Of course, they weren’t brown. Coincidence?
If you want to teach your son to treat the little brown girl next door like this, it’s your right. If you want to claim the Afghan man who saved American lives by risking his own while acting as an interpreter for our military, is, “poisoning our blood”, have at it. If you want to call the brown lady wiping your grandmas butt in the senior home “vermin”, because Don told you to, okey dokey. Not me. Not. Me.
Not me. It’s not remotely Christian. It’s not remotely conservative.
I think u misunderstood my comment. It’s not about race. It’s about the American dream. Come here legally w good work ethics. Get a job. Become a citizen. Love the country . I never mention race.
All those people u speak of came thru Ellis island and were vetted. They assimilated.
I think we should overhaul the immigration system so more people can come here legally.
If u come illegally there is no path to citizenship. That’s where u get problems. They need to leave and reenter legally.
I can’t watch everything Trump says or that’s all I would need doing. The media keeps changing word definitions. We need precision of language . I agree w u there
Both Trump and Noem are speaking about illegal immigrants. Somewhere between 10-20 million of them. Unkind? Yes.
No, that's just not true. Don even used some of these terms in reference to US congresswomen. But it doesn't matter. Even criminals should not be referenced that way. Let alone the "illegals" like the ladies cleaning your hotel room or wiping your grandmothers butt in the senior home, or the guy weed whacking at Home Depot. We're Americans, we should be better than that. It's not just "unkind". It's not Christian, it's not humane. It's devoid of basic human decency. It lays bare Don's ignorance and racism.
Read history. Some of the worst authoritarians intentionally used those terms to dehumanize minority populations. It's a tactic to gain and husband power, by blaming societies complex ills on the least among us. It has also led to far worse outcomes in some cases-if someone isn't human, they're fair game for all sorts of horrific treatment.
Tolerating it, excusing it, rationalizing it, is to endorse and agree with it. Count me out.
Both were talking about illegal immigrants.
Correct. But, was our president? He's used the same terms to describe our fellow humans regardless of their legal status. Read his words again: "invasion, vermin, rapists, eating the pets, poisoning the blood, animals, infestation, garbage, shithole countries, bloodthirsty criminals, most violent people on earth, stone cold killers, the worst people."
I'm a lifelong conservative. This blatant racism and xenophobia disgusts me. These very terms have been used by the worst authoritarian leaders in our history, look em up. It's our duty to be honest and call it out.
Read our Declaration of Independence. We were founded on a radical idea, not blood and soil. "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness"
Don has openly exposed who he is. But he's also exposed that many Americans do not support the values embodied in our Declaration. I trust that a convincing majority of Americans, like they always have, will remain true.
Can't speak for the President. But we knew we were electing Don Rickles when we voted.
No, we knew we were electing a blatant racist and xenophobe. Sadly, we've since learned how many members of my former party don't just tolerate it, but like it. Really, really like it. It's so good of Don to unleash the worst among us...
The terms pair nicely with one of Don's most telling quotes: "I love the poorly educated".
Welcome to the "new" right. It's ironic how old their core beliefs are. I was woefully naive in thinking we had finally moved on from them a few decades back.
But, still today, we all have a choice.
I've yet to read anything in the comments other than a disagreement over the number of actual illegal immigrants, and that argument can go either way depending on source, and which ones you consider illegal. Two acustions of ad homs that don't exist, one accusation so silly she supposedly quit.
What of Ms Coulter's query? What is the Democratic plan for deportation of people that have broken immigration law? I'd say she distilled the ideas of the slightly more than half of the country who support deporting people who have come here illegally. We had an election, we voted, democracy and all that.
What is the difference between a small population willing to commit violence because they didn't get their way and another small population willing to commit violence because they didn't get their way? Democracy is the will of the majority sometimes, in 2020 and 2024.
If you can't present an honest problem then the conversion cant move forward.
BTW Bipartisan immigration reform under Biden was scuttled by Trump... I'm just noting they did have a plan.
An open border plan is no plan at all, and one senator does not bipartisan make. Why not respond to what Ms Coulter said in her essay? Trump closed the border in 30 seconds, how exactly do we deport the more than 10 million illegally brought here to depress working class wages?
Try asking U.S. food producers, building contractors, hotels and restaurants.
Yeah, those brown immigrants need to be deported. Young blacks and whites are applying in droves to take those jobs.
I'm a contractor. Most construction workers here that are legal, are Hispanic, and they switched our most Hispanic congressional district red. Yes young guys want to work construction, and restaurants, and at the slaughterhouses which are huge in my county and the feedlots, and everyone is long overdue for a decent wage. You might try getting to know some regular people.
I do think an secure border is important, as do most Americans.
I would like to see action on the demand side, enforcing rule against hiring illegals and visa programs better equipped/sized for agriculture and other sectors.
As for 10 mil immigrants probably a mix of deportations, but more importantly a path to legal status for a large number of folks.
What would you like to see?
Would you agree that the US needs a net increase in working age citizens to support an ageing population and declining birth rates?
Why should there be a path to citizenship....do you have a path to ownership for the guy who stole our car?
A lot of the illegal immigrants are effectively self employed. Maids, landscapes, house painters, so unless you're actually ready to go after middle class homeowners for hiring an illegal to mow their yard, we have to do good old fashion immigration enforcement.
Then you get to the economically illiterate and frankly corrupt excuses for bringing in cheap foreign labor, preferable without the rights the regular citizens and legal immigrants get. The reality is that higher labor prices is what creates the incentive to innovate.
Take picking strawberries, higher wages means either more money going towards picking machines, or into using raised bed, greenhouse farming techniques to create better working conditions and year round stable employment. Then the more money going toward automation, greenhouse farming or other innovations, the better the economies of scale for those labor saving technologies and the lower prices we all pay for our strawberries, without putting up with the corruption that has been going on for decades.
You want proof, well despite decades of claiming that we need these people to pick the fruit Americans don't want to pick, the billions of dollars spent in trying to automated blue collar jobs has gone towards things like self driving cars. But wait, I don't remember anyone talking about not being able to find Americans willing to drive. The difference is that to get a driver's license you have to be in the country legally and as such get all the rights and privileges to turn to the state, the courts, or unionize to deal with abusive employers.
In reality there is already plenty of ways to reduce the labor needs and deal with the labor shortages without bringing in poorly educated people that often don't even try to assimilate and wind up using far more in government services then they will ever pay back. This also only serves to drive down wages and push up housing, healthcare, and general costs of living such that more of our own citizens find themselves putting off getting married and having children in the first place.
I saw a recent article on robotic technology - the robot was doing things comparable to what humans do with their hands. As you mention, technologies to pick strawberries and other tasks are likely to come as advances are made bringing greater efficiencies, lower costs, and higher sanitary levels (as these apply to food production), along with changes in the ways theses jobs are done, e.g., raised plant beds, greenhouse farming, etc.
Why should we reward people that broke the law to come here with a pathway to citizenship ? do you think this is fair to people like me who came here legally , put in time and money and followed the process ?
My approach would be simple : deport the ones with a criminal record first, as far as the rest set a deadline , you have until XYZ to either self deport or report yourself to DHS , this can be done online or in a app where you submit your name, adress , how long you been here , where you work and the name and birth information of your kids .
If you have kids that are born in the US you receive a visa that encompasses a work permit that is valid for 4 years and automatically renews unless you are committing a crime , you will have to maintain employment and not become a public charge.
Once the child turns 18 he will have the option to sponsor his parents for a greencard , if he denies you are out of here .
The ones who do not have kids are given the chance of their employer sponsoring them for a temporary work visa , the employer will have to prove that he can not find a american to do the job and that he pays a common wage level , the visa will tie the employee to one specific employer and if he loses the job he will have 4 weeks to find another job or be deported .
All illegals that are receiving any form of public assistance will be deported at once
Before anything else I'd like to see everyone who isn't supposed to be here, gone.
After that we can decide how many of what type of worker we need. I personally would like to see tons more doctors and teachers, they cost a lot. We have plenty of low wage laborers evidenced by our extremely low wages.
What I would like to see is
1. Mass deportations of anyone without legal status, no exceptions
2. Immediate and permanent cessation of all benefits to illegal aliens
3. The construction of a large, physical wall on our southern border
4. Punishment and incarceration of anyone who knowingly hires or aids an illegal alien
5. The indefinite end of all legal immigration
Anything essential than these measures is not worth discussing at this point. Our illegal population is probably close to 25% of our total population, we are well last the point of tweaking the system.
Looks like you read Ann's book, _Adios America_. I think more people should read it.
immigration reform does not work - period , if it would we would not have this discussion to begin with !
back in 1984 congress passed the immigration control act of 1984 that was supposed to adress the 2M illegal immigrants that were living in the US at the time , it was full of promises to secure the border , everify and stepped up workplace enforcement yet the ink wasnt dry on the document when republicans pushed by the USCC started to water down the enforcement provisins
Exactly. That 'plan' was asinine and would have codified a threshold minimum at which enforcement would have even kicked in!
Immigration reform under Biden was a joke. A panicky response to what Mayorkas and his ghouls unleashed at the borders. The Democrats never mention the thousands of American citizens who have been killed by illegals over the past 10 years. Biden revved it up. Democrats have a lot to answer for. Too little, too late.
Lost in this argument is the number of legal immigrants who enter the USA each year, currently at around two million (that's 20 million in a decade - the population of NY State), so there is already a path to citizenship for those who play by the immigration rules, a fact the open borders proponents conveniently ignore.
Biden had a plan to keep the border open indefinitely and to prevent future administrations from changing it. It was a terrible plan and deceived many people, including you. Thankfully, President Trump put an end to it.
Why do u think democrats don’t want voter id ?
Fact is that Biden opened the borders and then feigned "immigration reform" that codified legal entry...allowing millions to remain..don't waste our time with this type of silliness.
That “plan” did nothing. It would have allowed additional millions in. Get a grip.
You are making excuses !
this may be a novel concept to you but the job of member of congress is to represent the people in their district or in the case of senators the people in their state , they are not to represent the party or special interest groups .
The majority of voters at least in border states never supported amnesty for illegal aliens yet republicans tried numerous times to push another amnesty mostly because they knew that their voters in order to keep democrats from winning would swallow the bitter pill and vote for them no matter what !
The latest attempt when biden was in office actually was not killed by trump but interestingly by the actions of democrats and the biden administration .
The migrant surge and the lack of any action by biden to curb the influx along with attempts by democrats to blackmail republicans into passing amnesty infurirated voters so much that immigration reform became toxic and so republicans scared of a primary challenge backed off
Really, what part of that plan involved 10 million or more deportations?
Yes, the Democrats had a “plan” all right.
Their terrible plan was to codify Joe Biden’s failed open border into law.
Biden-Harris-Mayorkas claimed for the 4 years of the failed Biden administration that there was nothing they could do to halt the human tidal wave of rapists, murderers, drug pushers, drunk drivers, burglars, theives and welfare parasites crashing over the Southern border.
Weird how President Trump squashed illegal border crossings to effectively zero within weeks of taking office by simply authorizing USBP to do their job and enforce existing law.
Yes it was the lankford bill(a republican) that trump blocked. Biden admin failed epically on border. Obama left the pragmatic playbook for how to control the border until bipartisan immigration reform could get passed. They dropped the ball so we’re stuck with this unqualified adolescent as president.
What a joke, the plan was to give more money to DHS so that we could move more illegals into the country. The unqualified adolescent POTUS closed the border down in days without any new laws. Why were we lied to by the senile POTUS that nothing could be done to close the border down without more money and new laws when DJT proved it could be done.
The republican lankford plan i think you’re referring to…
I fully acknowledge that the Biden admin epically failed as have many past presidents on immigration going back to the 80s when Reagan gave amnesty to 4million undocumented people. But the solution will ultimately be a BIPARTISAN bill. It has to be. Thinking you can remove ALL undocumented people is ignorant of understanding scale. It’s not possible. Trump is not emotionally or intellectually adequate to serve and yes Biden was too senile as well. Have they both done domestic good? Yes. Getting Europe to oay more for their own defense. And getting Finland & Sweden into Nato! T& B respectively.
Consider the absurdity of your premise, that we cannot remove ALL illegal immigrants. That is not the question. There are always some criminals who manage to evade justice - the question is, can we remove so many that it ceases to be the huge problem that is has become and that it discourages further intrusions.
Canada is often cited as second on the list of nations in the world that others wish to emigrate to but they have 1/10 the percent of illegal immigrants in their population as the US has. Your belief that we cannot remove 10+ million illegal aliens when that many snuck in over the last four years represents a lack of resolve and creativity, as well as your own wrong end of the telescope ignorance of scale. Your sense that Trump is not emotionally or intellectually adequate is equally flawed - perhaps reflecting a touch of the Dunning-Krueger effect.
I was about thirty when Reagan got his bill passed and it didn't nothing but encourage more illegals to cross. There will never be a compromise because people learned form the Reagan bill it is all a lie that the laws would be enforced. I don't see the GOP base EVER supporting a bill unless there are provisions to seriously enforce the new laws. The democrats don't ever see an illegal that should be deported. In fact a lot of democrats want to eliminate ICE and the BP. Waltz is demanding that ICE and the BP be removed from his state which will open the Canadian border in MN up.
As I recall, a Congressman was questioned on C-Span some 10+ years ago. He noted the 1986 Immigration Bill's intent was to give amnesty to approximately three million illegal aliens, but there was so much corruption and intentional failures to enforce the bill's provisions in that amnesty that approximately 15 million eventually got amnesty. If this historic example is used as a guide, giving amnesty to some 20 million illegal aliens will end up giving tens of millions of illegal aliens amnesty, resulting in our nation being overwhelmed, the death of the Republican Party, and the Dems in more or less total electoral control for decades in the future. Isn't that exactly the Dems' goal, which is why they opposed the border, interior ICE/DHS enforcement, no voter ID, and other measures to ensure they always win elections.
I was 16 when the Reagan bill passed. I would never join any political party but have voted Dem most of my life. I do think our country is a nation of immigrants & that gives us our comparative advantage. 3/4 of my family came from Italy in 1903 others were here longer. But our immigration system is a problem. Not as big of a problem as our unfair tax code where billionaires literally pay $0 (see professor madoff’s new book “2nd estate”)!!!
But order at the border is necessary though many just overstay visa as well. Hypocritically and ironically biden admin closed border for the election. What fumbasses… should’ve been done from day 1. Obama left the playbook & they dropped the ball. Obama was criticized as deporter n chief by left wing bc he kept things in check and did it without masked militias in street & rhetoric about mexicans being rapists. Again bc of Biden failure we have this absolute corrupt clown who spent the first 60 yrs of his life being a NY playboy and pals with ppl like Epstein. What a joke.
You mean RINO Lankford, right? And Biden the vegetable did nothing. All of the worst of the "Biden" administration was accomplished with an autopen, and all of it should be reversed. Whoever utilized the autopen was elected by no one. Let that sink in as we all throw barbs at one another.
Never read lankford bill but it’s my opinion that immigration reform will have to be bipartisan.
Was Reagan a RINO then?
lol, the Langford bill was a joke. It did nothing, so that was why it was laughed at. A Democrat local operative wrote a LTE about this bill in our local paper which is very left wing, and it was all gaslighting lies like that comes out of the mouths of, Schumer, Raskin Pritzkers, Newsome, Walz, Biden, Harris Schiff, et al. We do not want to be the YOO-KAY. GET IT?
Conservative lawmakers felt the Senate bill was too weak compared to H.R. 2 (the Secure the Border Act), which had already passed the GOP-led House. They criticized the Senate version for:
Failing to mandate a border wall.
Not ending the "parole" authority used by the Biden administration.
Continuing "catch and release" by allowing work permits for those awaiting asylum hearings.
Lankford's bill was crap and needed to be blocked
That plan was a disaster. Read the bill. Lankford is a useless tool…may as well be an open borders Dem.
I'm unlikely to "recommend this to a friend" with guest posts like this.
That is a shame. This was a cogent and well-argued discussion of where we are now and why. Maybe your friends would do well to read it. Maybe you would.
I did read it. It starts out with a mischaracterization of an app that was developed to organize safe asylum applications. Despite misgivings, I read it all. Believe me I understand critiques of immigration policy under Biden (why would I have clicked otherwise?) but this felt like a regurgitation of what I've heard before. That would have been fine, but I've read those without the vitriol. There are plenty of "cogent and well-argued discussions of where we are now and why" that don't stoop to bending the truth and trying to insult people. Who is this piece for? You I guess. But not progressives who are willing and even eager to engage in substantive and thoughtful dialogues. Which is why I'm disinclined to recommend this to a friend, or anyone really.
You talk as though we weren’t here when this was going on. Of course there was the CBP One app and we all saw it and observed what it was for. We knew about the federal flights coming in full of illegals who got to bypass customs. We knew about the free hotels, cell phones, food, and medical. Who do you think you are with this gaslighting, as if nobody can remember anything over a year ago.
Great point Art. Joepa implements a failed immigration policy, so of course the logical response is to send masked federal agents to gun down unarmed fellow citizens in the back. Ten shots at a defenseless man. Ten. And then, our government immediately lied about him.
I'm sure you'll support the next D prez sending masked agents into red jurisdictions to gun down a few white boys in flannel under the guise of deporting criminals?
If those white boys in flannel are armed and or trying to run over them with a car then well yeah sure. The level of brainwashing you are exhibiting here is truly frightening. All talking points and no reality.
It's so delicious to watch the far right now try and blame the killings on the victims. Especially the "armed" trope. It was the guns fault:) MAGA is the same crowd that told us the 2nd amendment was sacred, and there so we can defend ourselves when a lawless, outta control federal government comes for us. Don't you love irony?
Of course, if carrying guns to a protest is bad, or illegal, me thinks the pot is callin the kettle black:) I guess your point is that ICE and CBP are so scared of people yelling at them and brandishing cell phones, that they are justified in killing fellow civilians. If that's the standard, how many MAGA folk would the capitol police have been justified in gunning down during Don's insurrection? After all, being beaten with confederate flagpoles seems worse than being yelled at by a random mom armed with children's toys.
I feel for you. It isn't easy to refute video, tell us we don't see what we plainly see, and try to say we're the ones being brainwashed. I love it!
And um, did ya notice they disarmed him, before plugging him ten times?
Welcome to the "new" right. Thanks for being explicit as to the type of country you wanna live in.
Bryan Malinowski was gunned down in his home by ATF agents during the Biden admin, due to an executive imperative for the ATF to aggressively harass small time gun dealers and private sellers.
That’s the mercy of Democratic administrations: bursting in with a tactical team in a pre-dawn raid because a man enjoyed flipping guns as a side hobby.
Ah yes, the whataboutism justification. As us country boys say, that dog don’t hunt.
Don, Bessent and Kristi said Pretti was executed with 10 bullets starting in the back because he was carrying a gun. The NRA disagreed. You?
They snuck a bunch into Florida but DeSantis caught them and sent 50 to the sanctuary city, Marta’s Vineyard. Obama and his neighbors sent them packing asap. That’s the definition of hypocrisy.
I think we need more LEGAL immigration. The legal immigrants have a path to citizenship and want to work to achieve the American dream.
They love America.
Sarah .. I mean "Sarah". Do you think us children? You are a troll, probably DNC paid to sit there all day to seed discord among DNC targets. But you aren't good at it, due to not actually understanding your target or it's nuances. ( I mean if you did, you wouldn't be long working for the DNC). This isn't 1998. You are easy to spot.
Jeepers Bob, up a little late? Lemme guess, you were dutifully watching Bad Bunny halftime show reruns from the basement, trying to figure out how your fellow citizen could possibly be the most popular musician on the planet, and why he so triggers the MAGA cult. And then, outta nowhere, the paranoia flared up again... Dagnabbit. Hang in there big guy, it's a scary world out there.
I thought the Bad Bunny performance was excellent, and the list of American nations after the statement "God Bless America" was genius, and moving. I haven't seen any "MAGA" cultist being "triggered", but I am bombarded with folks saying that they are.. whoever 'they' are. Capturing one seems to be as elusive and finding a self-identified unabashed member of the "WOKE". There are only two Parties in this country .. and both are in a state of flux. And who cares at all if there really were some kind of "followers of cult leader" Trump? If he were 49 instead of 79, I might be bothered to be concerned. Trump hasn't even changed a law in this country as far as I can tell .. though he has helpfully demonstrated the danger in having too many federal laws and regulations laying around waiting for someone to weaponize. Just as Trump helped Democrats remember the value of State's Rights and State Sovereignty. The Founding Fathers wrote a Constitution under the certain assumption that the worst of us would eventually hold the reins. Democrats seem always determined to create a powerful Federal government that counted on the best of us to be in charge. Ensuring that, is exhausting - I suspect one reason the USA led the charge into the technological future is because our citizens did not have to put their energy into politics .. because as late as 1945, even our President had very little influence over our day to day lives .. no one knew or cared Teddy Roosevelt's views on say, abortion.
Progressives who are willing and eager to engage in substantive and thoughtful dialogues are rare.
I disagree. I'm a lifelong conservative and I know many thoughtful liberals. I often share their goals, less frequently their tactics.
progressives
It's not just "not for progressives". Any civil, humane conservative with a conscience should reject people who spread the bile Ann Coulter has.
Such as?
I am sorry sarah, I can't hug you, kiss you, and comfort you , and say nice things to you sweetie, you bitches have managed to destroy the most successful nation in the world, just in a few decades, so don't act all gentle and tenderly, liberal bitches are the absolute worst kind, fuck you sarah.
As a center left liberal I always try to keep an open mind. I thought it a good essay, it never actually tipped over into a rant, and it covered all the bases with few words and a little humor. Yes it's by Ann Coulter, so what.
she called someone she disagrees with about ICE's tactics stupid, I don't need that energy. Some people dig it.
I thought she called the point he was making stupid. As in "David Holt, made the amazingly stupid point that....." Did I miss something elsewhere?
kind of a distinction without a difference if you ask me. Think of it this way: if my husband calls a point I make stupid, what might I extrapolate from the adjective he chose to describe something that I said?
Note: I didn't call your reply to me "stupid." I called it a distinction without a difference. Words matter.
It is extraordinarily different. Losing sight of that difference is how our nation, especially but not solely, those on the once liberal left, discarded the genuine debate on the stage set by the Founding Fathers in favor of Ad Hominem everywhere all the time. And once that became acceptable .. well it is MUCH easier to find a text or even a quote from some classmate 3 decades prior than to craft a winning argument.
My bad. Since we're splitting hairs here: "words matter in civil discourse."
Fun fact: I unsubscribed from Commonplace so I no longer get notifications. This is it! So long it's been good to know ya.
So after years of conservatives being called white supremacists — including black conservatives like me — we’re now supposed to have ‘civil discourse’. That’s rich.
Troll alert.
I think he has a good question. What do we do when handed a mess by the previous president and the sanctuary cities no longer support the federal law.? They did when Obama was president. He deported approximately 3 million.
I may lean right but I’m libertarian and would like small government. It’s all a mess
Shut up, Sarah explains.
Oh no, (((Sarah))) won't recommend this article to her friends. Whatever will we do.
Everyone here illegally must leave. Illegal is illegal. If someone has been here 20 years but never made an effort to become legal- bye bye! I’m so tired of this. During Biden administration we spent untold billions of dollars on illegal aliens while our veterans remain homeless and suicidal. It is shameful
Even Bernie Sanders said on a recent Tim Dillon podcast that Biden erred with his Open Borders immigration policy.
Of course he did; he's on the other side of the horseshoe.
The initial appeal of Commonplace, at least to me, was that it offered conservative viewpoints that were different than those parroted by Fox News, Newsmax, etc., or offered by people other than the classic right wing talking heads. I’m realizing I may have been idealistic and it may shortly become another Fox or NR clone, soon to be spouting whatever is the nonsense de jour of the administration. I guess it’s nice for Ann that she is getting work these days but did Commonplace really have to be the ones to give it to her?
And where and when on Fox News, Newsmax, etc, have you been offered an opinion by Ann Coulter? I see her only on Bill Maher. Ad Hominem is not a good look. Ad Hominem attacks are the weapon of choice by the Cancel Culture Contingent. Do better, Mister Hirsch. We know you can.
To spell it out, I meant that Coulter’s points in the article are the same you’d see/hear on Fox News (whether or not she’s been featured recently) and she is a “classic conservative talking head,” though she may not be as big as she was in the early part of this century. Fair enough on the ad hominem, I’m typically not a fan of writers whose vitriol drips off the page, and the fact that it was in a Commonplace post made it more jarring.
One does not know if a viewpoint is "different" until it is uttered. Ann is known for sometimes being quite "different", so a good bet, regardless of finished product. Plus I am always curious about a take from a player from a past political universe. The old teams are gone and the new teams are being formed. I am curious with which Party the libertarians will align this time around. The Reagan era alliance w/the Moral Majority and then the unexpected Drug Warrior contingent was very uneasy. The Moral Majority of the Right has died out. The Moral Majority (SJWs) on the Left is young and either ascendant or peaked in 2022. Not sure yet. I'm a conservative because I'm a liberal .. which means definitely not the recent Democrat Party, and I have hopes for what might emerge from Vance, Gabbard, etc if they given a chance to bloom post-Trump.
Second that, lost credibility right from the start basing the entire essay on the dubois posit of '...10 million illegal immigrants President Biden let in?'
I don't play in the political 'sandbox' and did not immediately notice Coulter but understood her after 2 paragraphs.
Honestly over Hype Please
I think the ones here for 20 years are also illegal aliens (that is legal tern - illegal aliens are not immigrants) probably number over 20 million and they all need to go
Illegal is illegal
So that is not a true statement? A bit confused. So it was only 7 million?
Thank you. Completely agree. It's disappointing.
I'd say the GOP governor of Oklahoma has it right. The deportations are necessary. The chaos is not. Obama was referred to by Latino activists as the Deporter in Chief, and his numbers bear that out. The chaos, however, wasn't a factor back then.
What has changed? A rhetorical question. Much has changed. Progressive liberal Mayors and Governors do everything in their power to thwart ICE. Furthermore the media has completely flipped from being adoring fans of anything O’bama did to hating anything associated with Trump.
Progressive governors and mayors want illegal aliens so they can vote
Why else have they allowed them to get drivers licenses?
Absolutely
Such an empty, empty piece. I am very sympathetic to the argument that Biden went way too far in opening-up, but this is just more partisan bullshit that acts like an innocent man's death was because of some kids who didn't want US citizens being deported. Pretending that ICE murders are a "sad but neccessary" part of enforcement is nonsense. We really *have* had enforcement for many decades without the need to sweep up US citizens either, one does not need to be a partisan to know that there was enforcement before ICE. Was it perfect, hell no! There were gaping loopholes in that system, but yet it still was a good-enough one to maintain America's trust for many, many years such that the narrative of the 'immigrant melting-pot' nation could form, which would be impossible under a true 'open-border regime' for there would be so much disorder to make it impossible. I would wish many changes to it, but pushing ICE officers to go on and deport every person they can without any checks is not "proper enforcement" that will fix these loopholes. And acting like the claim that "illegal immigrants are human beings" is some malicious progressive plot rather than a genuine value? Whether you like it or not people do indeed truly wish to treat other people with fundamental dignities, including the "half of the Republican party" which you seem to berate for their principles! What a shame that the guest author has not developed her thoughts beyond the 'party-line' and shame on you, Oren, for pushing this nonsense! You know people can get thoughtless MAGA cheerleading from many places, why do you wish to put it here as well?
Open borders is not a "bug" in the Dem platform, it is a feature. If they attain power again (Senate, House, Judgeships, Presidency) this country is over. That's all. Over.
That's why I'm leaving the country and moving to Texas.
plainsenseandsanity.substack.com
This article reflects a typical “all‑or‑none” mindset that seeks to label and dismiss rather than engage with social phenomena in a meaningful way. The author’s logic is that anyone who criticizes the government or federal ICE agents must automatically be a Democrat, a liberal, and in favor of open borders. That reasoning is indefensible. Open‑border policy is bad. A militant approach to deportation is also bad. Both truths can coexist.
The name‑calling in this piece is subtle but unmistakable. Consider the line: “…the media canonize liberal agitators, who swarm ICE agents, throw iced water bottles at them…and try to provoke officers into an aggressive response that can be endlessly replayed, out of context, amid commentators’ theatrical expressions of horror.” First, “liberal agitators”? Or simply Americans? It has been reported that many Republicans disagree with the tactics being used, even while supporting deportation of undocumented immigrants. Second, we know that more undocumented migrants were deported during the Obama administration than under Trump, yet none of the current horrors were witnessed.
Statements such as “The chaos we’re seeing surrounding immigration enforcement today is the inevitable consequence when the federal government finally puts an end to decades of open‑border lawlessness that intransigent opponents want to extend” are intentionally misleading.
And to the claim about “…the Clinton administration’s campaign to send little Elián González back to a communist dictatorship”, here’s what I’ve learned. The background is that Elián was a six‑year‑old Cuban boy who survived a dangerous boat journey from Cuba to Florida in November 1999. His mother drowned during the crossing. After being rescued, he was placed with relatives in Miami, who wanted him to remain in the United States. His father, still in Cuba, demanded his return, supported by Fidel Castro’s government. How can one compare a single, complex human tragedy to a mass policy of cruelty?
Thank you Paul for your close reading and accurate analysis of this piece’s rhetoric and tone. I expect better from Commonplace
Excellent essay. Don't know how you scored Ms Coulter, but thank you.
Ann Coulter? Kinda speechless on this one. Take a minute and look up the filth she has spewed.
Who's next, David Duke?
Welcome to the "new" right. This must be a sign that as Don's administration continues to crater, Oren has chosen to go all in on the insanity. Being smart is one thing. Having character another.
Shame on Oren.
Classic ad hominem there.
Attack the author because you have zero rebuttal to the argument.
How leftist of you.
Sorry Bubba, lifelong conservative here. There’s plenty to criticize about Joepa’s failed immigration policy. I have a long list too. That doesn’t justify Coulter’s past statements. She’s just an old fashioned cable hack looking for ratings from mouth breathers. It’s an act. A boring, unsophisticated act aimed at personal enrichment.
Joepa’s failures also don’t justify gunning down protesters wielding cell phones with ten bullets in the back.
Character used to matter to conservatives. Don doesn’t just expose himself, he exposes his followers-do they believe what they’ve preached, or do they blindly follow the aging, dementia riddled politician. We all get to choose. I’ll continue thinking we can be more civilized.
Karl, how bitch are you, my guess is a 10, its not gunning down Karl, it's shooting violent, unstable criminals, law enforcement does that all the time, americans are being absolutely killed by illegal immigration, stealing, killing, looting, raping, and just simple out breeding, nothing civilized about it.
Uh, they were fellow citizens. Not criminals. Good to hear you're cool with masked federal agents shooting unarmed citizens 10 times starting in the back.
Why 10 times? Ten. Times.
And why the masks? Why are they so afraid? Real cops don't wear masks. Our military doesn't wear masks.
I think my favorite "apprehension" was the swat team, accompanied by a video crew, who "took down" the sandwich man. After he offered to surrender voluntarily for getting mustard on the poor masked thug.
Welcome to North Korea...
You've made clear you disagree with the NRA.
You've made clear you support the government killing citizens for protesting.
Accordingly, how many insurrectionists do you think the Capitol police were justified in killing for beating cops on January 6th? Beating them seems worse than merely yelling and waving your phone around. Doesn't it? Please be specific.
Maybe donate your brain to science after you die. I think everybody would love to understand how TDS causes such warped and unsubstantiated delusions.
Dude got 10 bullets because he was an idiot. Brough a gun and scared the shit out of a bunch of guys who where trained to play better safe than dead from a leftist wackadoodle.
Don't obstruct and escalate and bad situations won't happen to you. It is pretty easy.
Why exactly do you think it is OK for leftists to obstruct the enforcement of laws we ALL agreed to that were enacted using the legislative process we ALL agreed to.
Why do leftist get a free pass to obstruct and riot?
Why wasn't the holy leftist idiot working to legislate his preferences using the rules I have to use. Why does he get veto power over the laws we ALL agreed to - just because he is an ahole?
Help me out. I can't figger out why all the manly he-men with tactical gear, automatic weapons, masks, communication devices, scary camo outfits, etc, were so scared of the random single mom armed with children's toys? Why were they so scared of an unarmed nurse pinned to the ground waving a cell phone? They'd already removed the gun he never drew, why were they so scared? What did they think he was gonna do to them, say something mean about their mama?
Geez dude, if you can be plugged ten times in the back by the feds because you're "an idiot", aren't we all in the crosshairs?
Isn't maga supposed to support the first and second amendments? It sounds like you're far more liberal than the NRA. They were honest enough to oppose Don claiming the government was justified in executing our fellow citizen because he was carrying a gun. I stand with the NRA.
Their information is that there is a gun, and a shot was just fired.
AND they also know that they never fire first.
And they are trained to fire back when shot at, because their lives matter too.
9 out of 10 have zero idea the idiot has even been disarmed of the gun.
All ten assume the idiot is shooting at them. They must.
Even the one holding the idiot's gun that just hair-trigger fired. Even he hasn't put together the actual sequence of events in less the 0.5 seconds.
Their training is to fire back when shot at. So they do.
They don't ask questions and have a chat session.
They don't rerun the video 3 times in slow motion at different angles.
They defend themselves from an already demonstrated deranged idiot hyped up on virtue juice pumped into him from the DNC and low-IQ fools.
Wild mistake. Sure. But a mistake 100% cause by the idiot that brought a hair-trigger gun and then acted like a lunatic, so everybody absolutely believed he had the capacity and desire to use it.
"aren't we all in the crosshairs?" NO!
Less that 1 in 100 million people are stupid enough to bring a hair-trigger gun to obstruct legitimate police enforcement.
Evil cops? Absolutely not even remotely accurate.
It is as if leftists enjoy freaking themselves out over things that don't even exist. Yours, is the desperate search for saintly glory of the social justice warrior who has to invent stuff to get his seritonin rush that he is going to go to heaven.
Again, Bubba, I'm a lifelong conservative. I'm not into the left's identity obsession. But that doesn't mean I can't see plain video and be honest about it. And it doesn't mean I will sacrifice my beliefs because an aging, incoherent politician tells me to.
It's fascinating. I would have thought you supported the first and second amendments. But, your position is that the victim had it coming for legally carrying a gun in compliance with both local law and the 2nd amendment. You believe that if you exercise your 1st and 2nd amendment rights, the price you could pay is the federal government is free to kill you. They can disarm you, swarm you with heavily armed men too scared to show their faces, then plug you ten times starting in the back. Ten. Times. Ten. And you're cool with that.
That isn't much of a constitutional right, is it?
I stand with the NRA. They called out Don, Kristi et al for holding your position. I would have thought you'd support the NRA, not the politician? You can defend the federal government if you wish, it's your constitutional right. As a conservative, I'll remain skeptical of politicians, and defend individual rights and freedoms. I thought that was what America was all about.
The hyperbole makes you look ether disinguenuous or mentally ill.
"why all the manly he-men ... were so scared of the random single mom armed with children's toys?"
One (1) man was scared because the self-righteous wackadoodle backed up to get a run on him, the turned the wheels of a 2 ton vehicle to aim right at him, and then accelerated while her even more deranged "husband" screamed "drive, drive drive". All after they both acted in dangerous and stupid ways making both the leftist harpy's actions unpredictable and likely deranged.
No "toys" involved. I 2-ton vehicle. No "he-men" about it. Guy trying to do his job while fanatics obstruct and act objectively insane.
No "random mom". A lady who had been obstructing and acting irraticlly and stupidly for the last 30 minutes.
The rest of your garbage post is the same.
A total lack of connection with anything remotely resembling reality.
Complete and total acceptance of the leftist brainwashing without a single neuron of critical thinking or of common sense.
So your point is that exercising your first and second amendment rights is like "taking selfies next to a cliff", and puts you in danger from your government. And if they shoot you, it makes you, the individual, not the government who shot them, responsible? That's not much of a "constitutional right" is it? And it's not a very compelling argument:)
ICE and CBP leaders testified in a Senate committee last week that yelling, and waving a cell phone, are neither assault nor illegal. You can watch their sworn testimony
online. So you tell me, what did he do that justified being shot, ten times, while unarmed, while being swarmed by militarized government agents? Ten. Shots. That's-10. This isn't a clerical error by the government, they killed him. Why?
PS, we conservatives are supposed to be wary of the federal government and its agents, remember? We oppose the concentration of government power, especially at the federal level, and support federalism, aka, states rights. Remember, that's why you support (supposedly) the second amendment-to defend yourself against a rogue state when they come for you. To preserve your right to protest your government. Or so MAGA has said forever. If you still believe that, it must apply to everyone, especially the people you dislike. I'm sorry about this, but that's the way civil society must operate.
I respect your position, but I'll still side with the NRA against you and the politicians on this one.
I have a long memory and I can remember Coulter supporting Romney in the primary. Romney supported the 2023 immigration Trojan Horse deal that Trump derailed.
And you Richard, are you not related to a vegetarian? And was not Hitler a vegetarian? Gasp. Blocked and reported.
boo
This "10 million immigrants" has been repeatedly debunked. Don't take my statement as fact; look at Politiifact: https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2024/mar/08/franklin-graham/no-10-million-people-have-not-entered-the-us-under/. Playing fast and loose with the truth does not make me want to read beyond the scare headline.
I just read that .. and it does not really say anything at all. It is also a gimmick to let the other person state a number and then confidently and accurately say that number is incorrect. Because it will be. Much harder to respond with your own number. If the headline read "Millions" the meaning communicated would be the same. Also, even if the Politifact essay is deciphered to mean what you think it means .. it is still only referring to documented encounters .. Ann estimate of actual border-crossers could legitimately be relying on a standard estimation tool to multiply documented lawbreakers by a ratio in order to arrive at a working number of actual lawbreakers. I break the posted speed limit every time I drive.
You are asserting that the actual number of times a speed law is broken is .. identical to those who were actually pulled over? Ann's number of border-crossers and fly-overs might be an educated or biased grasp at a haystack .. but so is Politifacts.
Are people still dumb enough to believe politifact?
Not remotely "debunked". 10 million is the best estimate.
Politifact is biased garbage that exists solely for leftists to feel good about their falsehoods.
We know this, because it is even lying about the actual question right from the get go.
The question is how many illegals - not how man encounters.
It takes a pretty mid IQ to fall for these obvious dodges by Politifact of the actual topics of debate.
“10 million is the best estimate.”
Tom Homan says 10 million known, 2 million got-aways. I go by his 12 million number but he also says we have no idea how many came in completely unknown to us. All together though this is at least 12 million people who arrived that we know nothing at all about. Does America even still exist as a country?
And that is just in Biden's 4 years. Somewhere between 35-45 million illegals is the fair total number. At least 10% of the US population. Sucking up welfare, education resources, free healthcare, increasing housing demand, SNAP costs, crime rates, etc.
According to a 2018 Yale Study the actual number of illegals was about 22 million, double the 11 million the media had used for decades. Many of the 22 million before Biden had been here for many years and really had become integrated into their communities. Many though, like the Somali’s in Minneapolis, were still living on welfare and were engaging in criminal activities plus many illegals were also using stolen social security numbers which was an endless headache for the Americans whose SS numbers had been stolen and who had a terrible time trying to fix this.
In spite of all the abuses though illegal immigration wasn’t a major issue by the end of his 1st term since the border and been fairly well secured in spite of the democrats best efforts to thwart him. If you add the 12 million since the democrats opened the southern border 4 years ago we come up with at least 34 million. And now the democrats are committed to keeping them all here and demonizing ICE for working to deport them. This is just not working at all.
“After running 1,000,000 simulations of the model, the researchers’ 95% probability range is 16 million to 29 million, with 22.1 million as the mean.”
“Yale Study Finds Twice as Many Undocumented Immigrants as Previous Estimates.”
Yale Insights. Sept 21, 2018
https://insights.som.yale.edu/insights/yale-study-finds-twice-as-many-undocumented-immigrants-as-previous-estimates
Vacuous. Stick to thoughtful conservatives willing to do a deep dive into the facts. Sure some liberals may “hate” the police, as do a number of conservatives. Argument by as hominem attack is beneath Commonplace.
Ok. Here is a non-polemic, deeply researched conservative argument for ending immigration:
https://www.thewaywardrabbler.com/p/a-new-age-of-wandering-tribes
meh, you get one a day. I'm maxed out on open mindedness. next time.
Coulter, a partisan D-List hack if there was one, substitutes rhetoric for facts. Border “encounters” are not the same as immigrants being “let in,” and both Democratic and Republican administrations have enforced immigration law and carried out deportations. Many migrants used legal asylum channels created by Congress, not a secret invitation to break the law. Claiming Democrats want zero enforcement is a strawman that ignores their stated position: prioritize criminals and recent arrivals while addressing long-term residents through legislation. Mass deporting millions would cost hundreds of billions, devastate key industries, and trigger major constitutional due-process battles. Disagreeing over scope and method isn’t open borders—it’s a policy debate Coulter reduces to caricature. Last, their was bi-partisan legislation to address immigration, but Trump nixed it, to keep the flames of the issue burning. F- for Coulter and Trump.