"Men without college degrees employed in health care rank near the bottom in marriage rates. This suggests that these jobs, as currently structured, do not provide the economic or social foundation that blue collar men need to build stable lives."
Or is suggests that non-college educated men who tend to enter the nursing profession are psychologically different from the majority of (non-college) men in ways that are unappealing to women. If that's true, this is just self-selection bias.
Women who are attracted to male dominated professions (girl-bosses) are known to be very different than stay-at-home moms of comparable education. (This was studied pretty intently decades ago.) Men who are attracted to female coded professions are quite possibly different as well: less assertive, less interested in material advancement, essentially less masculine. It would not be surprising if such men also tend to have lower marriage rates.
What's left unsaid is the most depressing part. Our society needs to allocate more and more able bodied people working 60 hour weeks to wipe the arses of 90 year old drooling vegetables. We can talk and talk about re-engineering the diversity of our army of geriatric bum-wipers. But that does not change the fact we are allocating our most valuable human resources away from providing real creation and value towards: Wiping 90 year old backsides.
A union LPN here makes $35 an hour, with generous benefits and health care with no premium, no deduct, retirement, one year of school. Comes out to $70 a year. RNs with 2 years make $50.
Most women don't want some guy handling their parts, and a lot of nursing is seeing and doing things that are usually all covered up. A female nurse can scope a guy up the wazoo, a male doc often wants a female nurse on hand when he does that on a woman. I've seen plenty of extremely good male nurses, but mostly it's a woman thing just like guys string power lines and work on drill rigs.
Having any sort of degree doesn't make one a nurse, you have to also be mentally strong and work well as a team. Lots of people see the high salaries but can't cut it and quit in the first year or two. We do need nurses and they are worth every penny. I do wish they'd forget about the credentialism. It's like everything else, one doesn't need a Phd for a job people used to learn on the job.
Similarly with the trades. If companies need people that bad, give them a basic math skills test and put them to work, pay them to learn. The HR departments brought a lot of this credentialism on.
>Most women don't want some guy handling their parts,
True, most hospitals these days or any male nurse that does not want to get the slim but messy process of accusation, have to have a women around for anything involving intimate care. We also need to pare care tech (every hospital call the different things, a LOT more like $50k to start, that is a real shortage issue.
I started in nursing with a BSN before it was a requirement for entry. The best nurses were always the ADN that were tied to a hospital. he BSN requirement lead to a decrease in number of nurses who wanted to work at the bedside with patients.
Imagine a factory that doesn't manufacture anything, but has a large maintenance staff. That factory will not make any money and will quickly go bust. Healthcare is the equivalent of human maintenance. A nation cannot get wealthy just doing maintenance (unless other countries are willing to out-source their maintenance).
Best career decision ever. I knew something was right when I was among 5 guys and 91 girls sitting in nursing school orientation. I had a date already lined up by the time I walked out of class. Oh, and the pay was low back then so it was only people who wanted to help others and do medical stuff. The field has deteriorated since
we need fewer male hewers of wood and bearers of water - fewer people with limited credentials at the bottom of society - birth control is the best answer
Nothing is going replace manufacturing but I do see more and more men in nursing. Another field is Physical Therapy with an average salary of about 100k. Lots of men there in what used to be heavily female oriented. I also see men running some of the heavy hardware. I wish I weren't able to make these observations.
Male nurses have low marriage rates bc women also see the job as feminine. Not even a good salary can overcome womens biological desire for manly men (hormone disruptors like SSRIs and birth control are much better at changing womens mating habits, but idk if increasing usage of those society-wide is a good strategy to help male nurses get married)
I was a male nurse, the reason there are not more male nurses is because many men are too afraid of showing compassion, patience, understanding to those who are in a bad place.
You must adapt as a man to be a good nurse, there is no hiding from that fact.
I will add black, asian, hispanic men are becoming nurses at a rate higher than white, they manage to overcome that squemish gap to care for the ill and the mess that comes with it.
"Men without college degrees employed in health care rank near the bottom in marriage rates. This suggests that these jobs, as currently structured, do not provide the economic or social foundation that blue collar men need to build stable lives."
Or is suggests that non-college educated men who tend to enter the nursing profession are psychologically different from the majority of (non-college) men in ways that are unappealing to women. If that's true, this is just self-selection bias.
Women who are attracted to male dominated professions (girl-bosses) are known to be very different than stay-at-home moms of comparable education. (This was studied pretty intently decades ago.) Men who are attracted to female coded professions are quite possibly different as well: less assertive, less interested in material advancement, essentially less masculine. It would not be surprising if such men also tend to have lower marriage rates.
What's left unsaid is the most depressing part. Our society needs to allocate more and more able bodied people working 60 hour weeks to wipe the arses of 90 year old drooling vegetables. We can talk and talk about re-engineering the diversity of our army of geriatric bum-wipers. But that does not change the fact we are allocating our most valuable human resources away from providing real creation and value towards: Wiping 90 year old backsides.
The author misses out an important point. Most men don't want to work with women because of the drama and chaos they bring to work.
A union LPN here makes $35 an hour, with generous benefits and health care with no premium, no deduct, retirement, one year of school. Comes out to $70 a year. RNs with 2 years make $50.
Most women don't want some guy handling their parts, and a lot of nursing is seeing and doing things that are usually all covered up. A female nurse can scope a guy up the wazoo, a male doc often wants a female nurse on hand when he does that on a woman. I've seen plenty of extremely good male nurses, but mostly it's a woman thing just like guys string power lines and work on drill rigs.
Having any sort of degree doesn't make one a nurse, you have to also be mentally strong and work well as a team. Lots of people see the high salaries but can't cut it and quit in the first year or two. We do need nurses and they are worth every penny. I do wish they'd forget about the credentialism. It's like everything else, one doesn't need a Phd for a job people used to learn on the job.
Similarly with the trades. If companies need people that bad, give them a basic math skills test and put them to work, pay them to learn. The HR departments brought a lot of this credentialism on.
>Most women don't want some guy handling their parts,
True, most hospitals these days or any male nurse that does not want to get the slim but messy process of accusation, have to have a women around for anything involving intimate care. We also need to pare care tech (every hospital call the different things, a LOT more like $50k to start, that is a real shortage issue.
I started in nursing with a BSN before it was a requirement for entry. The best nurses were always the ADN that were tied to a hospital. he BSN requirement lead to a decrease in number of nurses who wanted to work at the bedside with patients.
Hospitals could do more in nurse management to build true nurse skills and develop nurse managers
There is a lot of nonsense being taught about tolerance, DEI, it is rather insulting.
Imagine a factory that doesn't manufacture anything, but has a large maintenance staff. That factory will not make any money and will quickly go bust. Healthcare is the equivalent of human maintenance. A nation cannot get wealthy just doing maintenance (unless other countries are willing to out-source their maintenance).
It's only been 10 years, I'm sure those factory jobs are coming back any day now.
Aaaaaaany day now.
I’ve been in nursing 33 years. I’m a guy.
Best career decision ever. I knew something was right when I was among 5 guys and 91 girls sitting in nursing school orientation. I had a date already lined up by the time I walked out of class. Oh, and the pay was low back then so it was only people who wanted to help others and do medical stuff. The field has deteriorated since
>I had a date already lined up by the time I walked out of class.
No kidding, if you like being around some babes and some bitches! nursing is the place to be
we need fewer male hewers of wood and bearers of water - fewer people with limited credentials at the bottom of society - birth control is the best answer
Nothing is going replace manufacturing but I do see more and more men in nursing. Another field is Physical Therapy with an average salary of about 100k. Lots of men there in what used to be heavily female oriented. I also see men running some of the heavy hardware. I wish I weren't able to make these observations.
Male nurses have low marriage rates bc women also see the job as feminine. Not even a good salary can overcome womens biological desire for manly men (hormone disruptors like SSRIs and birth control are much better at changing womens mating habits, but idk if increasing usage of those society-wide is a good strategy to help male nurses get married)
I was a male nurse, the reason there are not more male nurses is because many men are too afraid of showing compassion, patience, understanding to those who are in a bad place.
You must adapt as a man to be a good nurse, there is no hiding from that fact.
I will add black, asian, hispanic men are becoming nurses at a rate higher than white, they manage to overcome that squemish gap to care for the ill and the mess that comes with it.