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Collin Crowell's avatar

“When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time.”

John B Goodrich's avatar

Perhaps rather than generalities, the author could provide a factual foundation for his rant and provide all of us greater understanding of his specific attacks on the president. Politically creative speech is hardly useful as a tool for us to understand specifically what the author believes is wrong.

Epaminondas's avatar

I think the author's position seems pretty straightforward for sports gambling and marijuana. He seems to support making them illegal again, or for marijuana, actually enforcing existing laws against them.

I'm less clear where he stands on prediction markets and especially AI regulation. Is he in favor of banning prediction markets? Ok, then he should just say so. Perhaps he can then explain how this ban would work in a world where the internet exists and everyone in the US can access it from their phones, which is exactly the reason why historical bans on sports betting have run into challenges. And does AI need some sort of regulation? Almost certainly. Does anyone know what that should be? Almost certainly not. We need a specific proposal that can be debated and reviewed. Otherwise, you get the classic two-step of a generality that everyone can agree with ("protect the children", "prevent self-destructive behavior") being used to promote a specific law or regulation that is highly controversial and frequently counterproductive.

Richard's avatar

The world is full of vice. I don't approve but outlawing it is futile. Let us stick to direct harms like murder, rape and robbery and stay away from vague notions of social harms. Specifically, I don't approve of adolescents accessing porn but as we have seen in Europe that is camouflage for suppression of political dissent.

Jim T. Malone's avatar

That is well spoken Oren. Now the question I have is how do you get this into the hands of the President?

Karl's avatar
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Oren is apparently just now discovering he's cast his lot with an amoral man. Better buckle up, we have a lot further to fall in the next three years as Don's brain addles further.

I don't disagree with the issues Oren raises, but Don's damage goes far deeper than the items enumerated. At some point, it would be good to hear him speak on the rule of law, and its relationship to a healthy economy in the long term.

We all have choices. The "new" right chose Don as its avatar. Its legacy, and the legacy of those who signed up for Don's corrupt ride, will forever be lashed to him.

PS, don't hold your breath for crypto regulation. Don's crypto corruption is by far the most lucrative gig he's ever had, far surpassing inheritance and being a game show host.

Four Quartets's avatar

A society that allows easy, immediate access to the kind of porn we allow will not survive. Literally. Physically.

Bob Huskey's avatar

As an economically oriented progressive I can hardly agree more with Oren's latest. "Vice" president is new to me, but it couldn't be more apt. Hedging the temperature benefits the betting app owners and no one else. Like high frequency trading it is a vampire parasitically sucking wealth out of actual productive work. Similarly, crypto is useful only to criminals and scammers and is very expensive to run.

It is not simply Trump's approbation of vice tech that makes "vice" president appropriate. Trump embodies bad character and in his position offers a strong example of bad behavior to imitate. That behavior ranges from blatant lying to absurd braggadocio to degrading and demonizing decent people to grift and illegal self dealing and beyond. He works to degrade everyone he interacts with either directly or by making them subservient to his self-serving whims. He exhibits the lowest of moral character and rank stupidity as virtues.

I appreciate that Oren is starting to acknowledge the canyon wide gap between conservative and whatever Trump actually is. I see Trump as the apotheosis of Libertarian "freedom". Even though he not a professed Libertarian he is strictly transactional. He is unfettered by decency and to a shocking extent the law in his transactions. The end game of Libertarian policy is rule by wealth. It is ultimately anti-democracy, neither conservative nor progressive. Trump is the closest to achieving that of any president.

Online betting should be illegal. That won't stop betting. But it will slow it down and make it less harmful to society. Crypto should be abandoned. AI should be fully examined and constrained before foisted on us. The Libertarian "free market" is a flawed concept based on a flawed and juvenile understanding of freedom itself. The self-rule of democracy requires self imposed limitations on behavior. No murder, for example. There is no virtuous

"invisible hand" in highly industrialized economies. We must manage our economy for our benefit and stop the scams and leeches and bad actors and raw power of wealth from ripping us off and doing other damage.

Eleanor Mayrhofer's avatar

Glad you're being honest about this.

Joe Milam's avatar

Oren,

What you are framing in the corrosive nature of Limbic Capitalism. See the clinical definition at https://danieldashnawcouplestherapy.com/blog/limbic-capitalism. You frame the need for a more thoughtful/healthy/productive form of capitalism, which is (maybe) best labeled as 'Legacy Capitalism'. Take a look at - https://docsend.com/view/zftqevax23jacta9