If bombing them back to the Stone Age were justified, as perhaps it was in ww2, then I could get behind it.
But Iran didn’t start this war. Genocide over a war you started whose outcome you caused seems pretty ridiculous.
I was fine with what isreal did in Gaza because it was provoked and dealing with an active and unforgivable threat. But it seems clear that this most recent round of escalation is at their behest and their interest and not ours.
Iran's proxies, Hamas, Hezbollah and the Houthis very much started this war. If the Japanese had gotten their puppets in Manchuria to bomb pearl harbor, funded them, trained them and armed them, would you have had America Ignore Japan's role in that.
It is very much in our interest to stop a terrorist supporting regime from continuing to stock pile ballistic missiles and drone, while continuing to inch closer and closer to getting nuclear weapons. Have you forgotten the Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Qatar, Jordon and Oman are also our allies and some had been attacked by Iran even before the October 7th attacks on Israel.
I'm sorry, but on this issues, Oren Cass and the staff at Common Place are falling into the managed decline attitude. The belief that it's better to let problems fester and get worse rather then confront them today.
Hamas did Oct 7th. Which was barbaric but I remind you *did not affect America*.
What impact Iran had on Oct 7th I don't know. For its crimes on Oct 7th Israel basically eradicated Hamas, leveled Gaza, and decapitated most of Irans proxies.
And then for a long while nothing happened. And we could have kept going on having nothing happen.
Instead, we *started* a war with a country of 70 million people far from Israel with no plan of what victory looked like.
Imagine if after the Korean War we bombed Moscow. That's what this is like.
Except, Don has preached the opposite for a decade, as has MAGA more generally. But I admire your willingness to learn and grow, and to join Don in advancing the argument of a Bush era neocon even in the face of fierce opposition from so many current conservative luminaries. It’s so quaint you want to be peacemaker for the region.
Don already assured us that his 12 day war resulted in Iran’s nuclear facilities being “completely and totally obliterated”, so I’m not clear on your concern over nukes, I’m sure he was telling the truth. Aren’t you?
If you paid attention to Trump's specific threats which were bridges and power plants which are hardly the end of civilization. In other words what Clinton did in Serbia. Serbia is functional again. The Left and panicons got all twitterpated about the summary which was typical Trump hyperbole. At no time did he say anything about nukes. And it was the Chinese who twisted Iranian arms about negotiations. Yeah, they were protecting their investments which proved they are serious people. Unlike the Europeans.
Good for Oren for poking his head outta the foxhole again. I welcome him to the cause. I suspect his main motivation remains an attempt to help his bud JD flee from Don and assume yet another political ideology. I'll still take it.
Oren joins other paragons of the "new" right in denouncing Don. Tucker, Candace, Nick, MTG, Alex, Megyn...some even calling for pursuing the 25th amendment. I welcome them to the cause as well.
I had thought fomenting an insurrection coupled with the big lie was evidence enough of Don's unfitness for office, but, again, I'll still take it.
Let's celebrate the green shoots on this spring Friday. Elites on the right have taken a few baby steps towards stating the obvious. Maybe there's hope for my former party after all?
Beautifully said. There must be sane intelligent people in the Republican party who are finally realising that cowardly genuflecting to a derranged bully is not a path to long term success in fixing the liberal establishment's errors.
If bombing them back to the Stone Age were justified, as perhaps it was in ww2, then I could get behind it.
But Iran didn’t start this war. Genocide over a war you started whose outcome you caused seems pretty ridiculous.
I was fine with what isreal did in Gaza because it was provoked and dealing with an active and unforgivable threat. But it seems clear that this most recent round of escalation is at their behest and their interest and not ours.
Iran's proxies, Hamas, Hezbollah and the Houthis very much started this war. If the Japanese had gotten their puppets in Manchuria to bomb pearl harbor, funded them, trained them and armed them, would you have had America Ignore Japan's role in that.
It is very much in our interest to stop a terrorist supporting regime from continuing to stock pile ballistic missiles and drone, while continuing to inch closer and closer to getting nuclear weapons. Have you forgotten the Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Qatar, Jordon and Oman are also our allies and some had been attacked by Iran even before the October 7th attacks on Israel.
I'm sorry, but on this issues, Oren Cass and the staff at Common Place are falling into the managed decline attitude. The belief that it's better to let problems fester and get worse rather then confront them today.
Hamas did Oct 7th. Which was barbaric but I remind you *did not affect America*.
What impact Iran had on Oct 7th I don't know. For its crimes on Oct 7th Israel basically eradicated Hamas, leveled Gaza, and decapitated most of Irans proxies.
And then for a long while nothing happened. And we could have kept going on having nothing happen.
Instead, we *started* a war with a country of 70 million people far from Israel with no plan of what victory looked like.
Imagine if after the Korean War we bombed Moscow. That's what this is like.
Except, Don has preached the opposite for a decade, as has MAGA more generally. But I admire your willingness to learn and grow, and to join Don in advancing the argument of a Bush era neocon even in the face of fierce opposition from so many current conservative luminaries. It’s so quaint you want to be peacemaker for the region.
Don already assured us that his 12 day war resulted in Iran’s nuclear facilities being “completely and totally obliterated”, so I’m not clear on your concern over nukes, I’m sure he was telling the truth. Aren’t you?
If you paid attention to Trump's specific threats which were bridges and power plants which are hardly the end of civilization. In other words what Clinton did in Serbia. Serbia is functional again. The Left and panicons got all twitterpated about the summary which was typical Trump hyperbole. At no time did he say anything about nukes. And it was the Chinese who twisted Iranian arms about negotiations. Yeah, they were protecting their investments which proved they are serious people. Unlike the Europeans.
I'd be ok with JD starting early.
A poisoned chalice. Civil war on the Right will do nothing to make the Democrats sane. It will probably make them more extreme.
No civil war, just a natural succession. Democrats are out of the picture for now, stuck in the last millenium.
Good for Oren for poking his head outta the foxhole again. I welcome him to the cause. I suspect his main motivation remains an attempt to help his bud JD flee from Don and assume yet another political ideology. I'll still take it.
Oren joins other paragons of the "new" right in denouncing Don. Tucker, Candace, Nick, MTG, Alex, Megyn...some even calling for pursuing the 25th amendment. I welcome them to the cause as well.
I had thought fomenting an insurrection coupled with the big lie was evidence enough of Don's unfitness for office, but, again, I'll still take it.
Let's celebrate the green shoots on this spring Friday. Elites on the right have taken a few baby steps towards stating the obvious. Maybe there's hope for my former party after all?
Good luck America.
Beautifully said. There must be sane intelligent people in the Republican party who are finally realising that cowardly genuflecting to a derranged bully is not a path to long term success in fixing the liberal establishment's errors.