I don't see how the FCC jawboning a network into canceling a show for misinformation that doesnt hold a candle to the Fox/dominion affair--fwiw, I'd have howled if the gvt bullied Fox into canceling shows over that--looks any better when you see that Europe is *also* terrible on free speech in its own distinctive ways.
Partisanship rots the brain. Maybe your European friend was the pot calling the kettle black. Fair enough, but the kettle is still black!
"For all of the messiness in American democracy at the moment, we should be grateful that our system is proving responsive to public sentiment and that those who previously held political power are either unwilling or unable to prevent change from happening. Any such populist moment is bound to press against guardrails and undermine norms, all of which were installed and upheld (selectively) by the people being thrown out on their ears. "
The German public at the time was responsive to public sentiment in 1933 as well. This, however, did not go well.
Need more? "Vladimir Putin won his first presidential election in March 2000, securing a majority in the first round to avoid a runoff. He became Acting President on December 31, 1999, following Boris Yeltsin's resignation."
The weak or perverted mind that suggests that we should be grateful for Donald Trump's "response" is, well, weak and perverted.
Europe still has clean elections and only Trump's kind --as he does-- dispute that without (like here) proof.
"Understanding America" is more likely aimed at undermining.
Well said. As easy as it would be to list the multitude of dangers Don presents, only one is required to cement the truth that Oren refuses to acknowledge. The one that renders Don unfit to hold the nuclear codes. Don incited an armed insurrection leading to the first non-peaceful transfer of power in American history-he lied/lies about the election outcome, with faith in elections being the bedrock of democracy-he pardoned those who participated in the attempted coup, including felons convicted by peer juries of seditious conspiracy (look up the meaning of seditious conspiracy). These are the worst acts ever committed by a US president. And yet, Oren salves his wavering conscience with whataboutism's regarding Europe? That's all he's got? Can't we aspire to more? Is this really the best America can do?
One of the tenets that "those who previously held power" claimed to care about was character. The real criticism of "those people" is that they didn't mean it. JD and Little Marco are just two examples, but far from the only ones. Read Mitch McConnell's floor speech on Don's second impeachment, then ponder his vote not to convict. Mitch, JD et al are cut from the same cloth. Shame on them.
I gotta hand it to Oren, he's dogged in his rationalizations of Don-the founder and intellectual lodestar of the "new" right. His ability to maintain an "other than that Mrs Lincoln" discipline is indeed impressive. But he needs new material, the whataboutism tropes get just a tad boring.
Ironically, don't we all know that in his heart, he knows JD, Little Marco, et al were right in their first, honest assessments of Don. He's too smart not to understand. But apparently he's cool joining them in publicly self-gelding. He'd fit right in at the next cabinet meeting, where the only order of business is hours of fawning tribute to the dear leader. The last one literally looked like a scene from The Death of Stalin, it's hilarious and worth a watch.
I guess the question is why, why do these smart, talented people do this to themselves? Money, fame, power, lingering angst over being picked last for the fifth grade dodgeball team? Whatever it is, Oren is all in on the leader of the "new" right. He's forever lashed his reputation to Don. I guess I'd be a little defensive too if I was him:) Someday, like all of us, he'll get to explain all this to his grandkids, and where he stood in the moment.
Here's a quick tip though. He might want to read up on the AfD to understand why JD's endorsement of them was so offensive.
I don't see how the FCC jawboning a network into canceling a show for misinformation that doesnt hold a candle to the Fox/dominion affair--fwiw, I'd have howled if the gvt bullied Fox into canceling shows over that--looks any better when you see that Europe is *also* terrible on free speech in its own distinctive ways.
Partisanship rots the brain. Maybe your European friend was the pot calling the kettle black. Fair enough, but the kettle is still black!
Texas is a lot like Europe, no? “The European answer thus far is to futz with how power is gained, to render popularity less important.”
"For all of the messiness in American democracy at the moment, we should be grateful that our system is proving responsive to public sentiment and that those who previously held political power are either unwilling or unable to prevent change from happening. Any such populist moment is bound to press against guardrails and undermine norms, all of which were installed and upheld (selectively) by the people being thrown out on their ears. "
The German public at the time was responsive to public sentiment in 1933 as well. This, however, did not go well.
Need more? "Vladimir Putin won his first presidential election in March 2000, securing a majority in the first round to avoid a runoff. He became Acting President on December 31, 1999, following Boris Yeltsin's resignation."
The weak or perverted mind that suggests that we should be grateful for Donald Trump's "response" is, well, weak and perverted.
Europe still has clean elections and only Trump's kind --as he does-- dispute that without (like here) proof.
"Understanding America" is more likely aimed at undermining.
Well said. As easy as it would be to list the multitude of dangers Don presents, only one is required to cement the truth that Oren refuses to acknowledge. The one that renders Don unfit to hold the nuclear codes. Don incited an armed insurrection leading to the first non-peaceful transfer of power in American history-he lied/lies about the election outcome, with faith in elections being the bedrock of democracy-he pardoned those who participated in the attempted coup, including felons convicted by peer juries of seditious conspiracy (look up the meaning of seditious conspiracy). These are the worst acts ever committed by a US president. And yet, Oren salves his wavering conscience with whataboutism's regarding Europe? That's all he's got? Can't we aspire to more? Is this really the best America can do?
One of the tenets that "those who previously held power" claimed to care about was character. The real criticism of "those people" is that they didn't mean it. JD and Little Marco are just two examples, but far from the only ones. Read Mitch McConnell's floor speech on Don's second impeachment, then ponder his vote not to convict. Mitch, JD et al are cut from the same cloth. Shame on them.
I gotta hand it to Oren, he's dogged in his rationalizations of Don-the founder and intellectual lodestar of the "new" right. His ability to maintain an "other than that Mrs Lincoln" discipline is indeed impressive. But he needs new material, the whataboutism tropes get just a tad boring.
Ironically, don't we all know that in his heart, he knows JD, Little Marco, et al were right in their first, honest assessments of Don. He's too smart not to understand. But apparently he's cool joining them in publicly self-gelding. He'd fit right in at the next cabinet meeting, where the only order of business is hours of fawning tribute to the dear leader. The last one literally looked like a scene from The Death of Stalin, it's hilarious and worth a watch.
I guess the question is why, why do these smart, talented people do this to themselves? Money, fame, power, lingering angst over being picked last for the fifth grade dodgeball team? Whatever it is, Oren is all in on the leader of the "new" right. He's forever lashed his reputation to Don. I guess I'd be a little defensive too if I was him:) Someday, like all of us, he'll get to explain all this to his grandkids, and where he stood in the moment.
Here's a quick tip though. He might want to read up on the AfD to understand why JD's endorsement of them was so offensive.
Good luck America.
The audio only plays 1 minute of the intro. Long article. What happened?
Truth. I do worry that Trump seems to cozy to the Euros, especially the UK. Much prefer Vance on this.